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Wingnuts, Whackos and Wanna-Be's - Leaders of The Loyalist Spring Unmasked


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While loyalists went on the rampage in east Belfast (again) 100 flag-protestants met in Newtownards to elect a leadership of sorts.

Meanwhile in Newtownards, representatives of flag protestors across Northern Ireland elected 10 people to a committee to decide their way ahead.

Controversial victims campaigner Willie Frazer said he had been elected as an official spokesman for the ‘People’s Forum’.

“There is no chairman, but people who have been elected include Johnny Harvey, Jamie Bryson and Pastor Mark Gordon,” he said. “We had representatives tonight from Rathfriland, Tandragee, Markethill, east Belfast, the Shankill Road, Tiger’s Bay, Coagh and Carrickfergus.”
Police injured while flag protestors elect leaders - Headlines - Belfast Newsletter

According to Frazer the immediate aims of The People's Forum are as follows:

“We unanimously supported a return to direct rule and we agreed we will not be talking to politicians until they re-engage with people on the ground,” he said.

“We are saying that the flag has to go back up on Belfast City Hall; one-sided inquiries about the past have to stop; the demonisation of the security forces [during the Troubles] has to stop and there must be an inquiry as to how the £1.5bn peace money from Europe was spent. Who got it?”
Worth noting that these aims involve the suspension of the Stormont Executive and non-cooperation with the recently announced 'Unionist Forum'. Ironically Willie Frazer received a large chunk of the European money for his one-sided 'victims' agenda - perhaps he can tell us what he did with it!

'Pastor' Mark Gordon is another who has been feeding at the public trough. He's a former glue-sniffer from Bangor who, when not demanding money for 'community projects', bonfire commitees and loyalist memorial-gardens, wages a campaign of harrassment against the sell-outs and Lundys on (unionist dominated) North Down Borough Council.

Jamie Bryson is one of Pastor Gordon's more vocal acolytes, a 'born-again' Christian, loyalist activist and author of a fictional work about a group of Glasgow Rangers / Sevco 5088 supporters.

Johnny Harvey is a former RAF sergeant from east Belfast who has links to Britain First, a BNP splinter-group.

The other six tribunes of the loyalist spring are yet to be identified but they are likely to be every bit as 'colourful' and every bit as dubious as those mentioned above.

H/T Chris @ Slugger
Loyalist Flag Protests: Meet the Leadership « Slugger O'Toole

Apart from embarrassing the unionist cause, what, if anything, does the People's Forum stand to achieve?
 
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Maybe now those few that couldn't see Frazer's 'victim' pilgrimage to Dublin a few years ago for what it really was will acknowledge their error.
 

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Maybe now those few that couldn't see Frazer's 'victim' pilgrimage to Dublin a few years ago for what it really was will acknowledge their error.
Given his past support for the cause of 'Ulster independence' it's ironic to see Willie leading the defence of the Union flag. Mind you, he now seems to be advocating 'integrationism'.
 

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While the Mid East burns in the flames of war, millions face poverty in Europe and the far right re-emerges a few hundred chuckle headed dimwits get into a strop over a flag being flown in the same manner as in Britain. Can someone explain what the word priorities means to these people?
 

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Willie is sane compared to some of the rest of them.
 

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Tell you something, the Ulster Workers Council it ain't.
 

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But we all knew the fringes of Unionism was packed full of lunatics like these. The problem here is the publicity these people get, they feed off it, particularly any criticism they get as if it validates their own persecution complexes.
 

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While loyalists went on the rampage in east Belfast (again) 100 flag-protestants met in Newtownards to elect a leadership of sorts.



Police injured while flag protestors elect leaders - Headlines - Belfast Newsletter

According to Frazer the immediate aims of The People's Forum are as follows:



Worth noting that these aims involve the suspension of the Stormont Executive and non-cooperation with the recently announced 'Unionist Forum'. Ironically Willie Frazer received a large chunk of the European money for his one-sided 'victims' agenda - perhaps he can tell us what he did with it!

'Pastor' Mark Gordon is another who has been feeding at the public trough. He's a former glue-sniffer from Bangor who, when not demanding money for 'community projects', bonfire commitees and loyalist memorial-gardens, wages a campaign of harrassment against the sell-outs and Lundys on (unionist dominated) North Down Borough Council.

Jamie Bryson is one of Pastor Gordon's more vocal acolytes, a 'born-again' Christian, loyalist activist and author of a fictional work about a group of Glasgow Rangers / Sevco 5088 supporters.

Johnny Harvey is a former RAF sergeant from east Belfast who has links to Britain First, a BNP splinter-group.

The other six tribunes of the loyalist spring are yet to be identified but they are likely to be every bit as 'colourful' and every bit as dubious as those mentioned above.

H/T Chris @ Slugger
Loyalist Flag Protests: Meet the Leadership « Slugger O'Toole

Apart from embarrassing the unionist cause, what, if anything, does the People's Forum stand to achieve?
Might
Ulster's
Protestant
People
Expect
Transformation
Soon ?
 

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But we all knew the fringes of Unionism was packed full of lunatics like these. The problem here is the publicity these people get, they feed off it, particularly any criticism they get as if it validates their own persecution complexes.
For the purpose of balance and whataboutery the fringes of nationalism are just as mad and in fact there seems to be more of them and they are more active. Killing a Prison Officer and putting bombs under PSNI officers cars are some of latest lunatic ideas.
 

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For the purpose of balance and whataboutery the fringes of nationalism are just as mad and in fact there seems to be more of them and they are more active. Killing a Prison Officer and putting bombs under PSNI officers cars are some of latest lunatic ideas.
Very true, as bad as these people are, at least they're not killing anyone.

They also provided a welcome boost to the Irish ecomony before Christmas, by encouraging people to shop in the Republic rather than Belfast.
 

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Talking about these eejits gives them more attention than they deserve. I for one am happy to simply ignore them. The world is moving on, meanwhile they are stuck somewhere between 1690 and 1960.
 

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Talking about these eejits gives them more attention than they deserve. I for one am happy to simply ignore them. The world is moving on, meanwhile they are stuck somewhere between 1690 and 1960.
As long as they are not coat trailing outside your house, you can sleep well after watching the soapies.
 

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As long as they are not coat trailing outside your house, you can sleep well after watching the soapies.
I'm not a fan of soaps. The point I am making is that they get far more attention than they actually deserve by sensationalist media in need of a story.
 

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While the Mid East burns in the flames of war, millions face poverty in Europe and the far right re-emerges a few hundred chuckle headed dimwits get into a strop over a flag being flown in the same manner as in Britain. Can someone explain what the word priorities means to these people?
Yes and someone needs to explain to the other dimwits why they felt the need to change the rules on flag waving in the first place.
 

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For the purpose of balance and whataboutery the fringes of nationalism are just as mad and in fact there seems to be more of them and they are more active. Killing a Prison Officer and putting bombs under PSNI officers cars are some of latest lunatic ideas.
Dissident republicans are marginalised and have little or no support, they represent no one and no one is out on the streets rioting and putting PSNI in hospitals in support of them. These guys however might, just might gain in popularity and you have members of churches and ex service men openly calling for trouble. Its not the same as dissident terrorists lurking in the shadows

This is the problem with whataboutery. It gives cover to lunatics like these so they can carry on behaving like twats and point fingers.
 

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Very true, as bad as these people are, at least they're not killing anyone.
Just putting police officers in hospital. No biggie :roll:

Any chance you might say a bad word about these loopers?
 
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"Pastor" Gordon has an interesting past. He was one of those involved in extracting £75,000 of taxpayers cash to build a memorial garden for loyalist paramilitaries killed during the Troubles. When some council officials and elected members began to grumble about cash being used for such a purpose he dismissed them and said that these "freedom fighters" should be honoured. A very religious man obviously.
 
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