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With GE 2016 2.0 becoming a distinct possibility, what has changed?

Disillusioned democrat

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The next budget, Apple, Project Eagle, Waterford University Hospital, Irish Water, Enda Kenny's conscience - these are all brimming up as possible "events" that could bring down our puppet government.

The problem is that if asked to vote again, the people of Ireland may not have a different answer to last Feb.

Does anyone have any thoughts on:

  • what has changed since Feb
  • what people should be aware of since Feb 2016 and
  • how people could/should vote differently for a more stable, fairer government?
 


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The next budget, Apple, Project Eagle, Waterford University Hospital, Irish Water, Enda Kenny's conscience - these are all brimming up as possible "events" that could bring down our puppet government.

The problem is that if asked to vote again, the people of Ireland may not have a different answer to last Feb.

Does anyone have any thoughts on:

  • what has changed since Feb
  • what people should be aware of since Feb 2016 and
  • how people could/should vote differently for a more stable, fairer government?
  • what has changed since Feb? Enda has found his "Mojo" he tells us, thereby confirming that he is indeed the eejit we thought he was.
  • what people should be aware of since Feb 2016? See above
  • how people could/should vote differently for a more stable, fairer government? Need you ask?
 

HarshBuzz

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What has changed:
  1. Brexit
  2. Apple ruling
  3. The electorate's perceptions of Independents (thanks to Ross and Halligan)



What will have changed:
  1. The FG leadership will have changed (my own money is on Leo)
  2. Noonan won't stand again (Richard Bruton in)
  3. Irish Water may not be front and centre in the next GE as it will be parked
 

jmcc

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Mojo! There's a word from the 1970s. About the same time that the village idiot coffin surfed into the Dail.
 

off with their heads

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another election will at the very least kill off more of those stale grey faces that have been there forever:-x
 

jmcc

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If FG doesn't get rid of the village idiot quickly, FG will be facing into a GE with a King Lear style uncertainty over who gets what.
 

Dame_Enda

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Support for Others has dropped a good bit but remains sizeable. FF and FG want deadlock so they can blame it on Independents. I won't be changing my vote. "Decisive" govt just means rubber stamp govt.
 

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FF's position on water charges changes weekly. Latest is that they are against, unless they find themselves in government, in which case they are in favour of water charges again.
 

HarshBuzz

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FF's position on water charges changes weekly. Latest is that they are against, unless they find themselves in government, in which case they are in favour of water charges again.
I'd actually like to see SF\AAA\PBP\Halligan\Wallace\Daly and assorted likemindeds actually take an election seriously.

Form a broad alliance and try to get elected to government. Give the electorate a view of what 'an alternative to the current failed blah blah blah' might actually look like.

Not that it will happen (see: Halligan) but it would be nice to have an election where all of the parties were equally interested in governing.
 

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Noonan's ineptitude (sic) around winding down NAMA coming to light. Mary Lou calling it as it is.
Well done Mick Wallace.
 

the secretary

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Maybe lack of a decisive outcome will be the public's way of keeping politicians in purgatory for a while ;)

Will be fun to watch FF swing as they dither and blather trying to avoid going in to govt on the very same arrangement in which they pulled down the FG gov.
As a SF supporter you certainly can point the finger at FF for dithering and blathering about going into government over a period of weeks.
SF didn't dither or blather, they made up their minds long before the election that they weren't going into power.
 

the secretary

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The only thing that will cause the government to fall is if the budget fails to be agreed.
Everything else will be fixed.
Even poor Halligan marched to the top of the hill, now he's on his way back down wit his tail between his legs.
No one wants an election, not even the opposition.
 

ShinnerBot No.32564844524

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As a SF supporter you certainly can point the finger at FF for dithering and blathering about going into government over a period of weeks.
SF didn't dither or blather, they made up their minds long before the election that they weren't going into power.
That's the narrative alright, doesn't jibe too well with the fact that both FF and FG said they would talk to us. "Keep the spin going"
 

blokesbloke

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Joan Burton is still in the Dáil but is no longer Labour leader. Still I suppose if yiz all wised up and gave Labour a majority she'd be bound to get a decent gig...
 

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Maybe lack of a decisive outcome will be the public's way of keeping politicians in purgatory for a while ;)

Will be fun to watch FF swing as they dither and blather trying to avoid going in to govt on the very same arrangement in which they pulled down the FG gov.
Minority government looks likely but from the polls I'd say the chances are the independents may well be surplus to requirements.

FF need to be careful though. If it's just a switcheroo between them and FG then "what you reap...." and all that.
 

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I'd actually like to see SF\AAA\PBP\Halligan\Wallace\Daly and assorted likemindeds actually take an election seriously.

Form a broad alliance and try to get elected to government. Give the electorate a view of what 'an alternative to the current failed blah blah blah' might actually look like.

Not that it will happen (see: Halligan) but it would be nice to have an election where all of the parties were equally interested in governing.
SF and Halligan are right wing extremists. AAA/PBP will have nothing to do with them.
 

hollandia

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SF and Halligan are right wing extremists. AAA/PBP will have nothing to do with them.
Did they tell you that at your last FG meeting?

Given that Halligan is ex WP, it's more likely they'll have nothing to do with each other, rather than with AAA/PBP.
 

PBP voter

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Did they tell you that at your last FG meeting?

Given that Halligan is ex WP, it's more likely they'll have nothing to do with each other, rather than with AAA/PBP.
Halligan is able to work with FG therefore he is a right wing. Same as labour.
 

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