Workers Forced to Carry Religious Cross Badge in order to Work

ruserious

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So someone called Francis is visiting Ireland this weekend and as his visit is deemed so important, measures have been taken to restrict movement around the city in order to provide a safe and secure event. Fair enough.

However, in order to get around the issue of restricted movement, staff at St James' hospital among other work places have been issued with an "essential worker pass" for passing Garda cordons.

This pass (see below) is endorsed with a government of Ireland logo and also (unfortunately) a papal cross.




As we all know, hospital staff are traditionally from a multi ethnic and religious diverse background. That the State is issuing them a badge necessary for them to get to work next weekend which is emblazoned with a papal cross, is shortsighted if not against the spirit of a secular State.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/opw-defends-decision-to-issue-pass-with-crucifix-to-health-staff-during-pope-s-visit-1.3603009?mode=amp

In summary, the pass is clearly identifiable as being a State issue (government of Ireland/Harp) and should therefore not include religious imagery on it. It is offensive to both the ideals of a secular state and for those who must present it when needs be.
 


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There is a case here the European Court of Human Rights. On to Strasbourg and don't spare the horses.
 

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It's the main landmark involved in the event. Get over it. It's not a religious badge. Stop being stupid.
 

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So someone called Francis is visiting Ireland this weekend and as his visit is deemed so important, measures have been taken to restrict movement around the city in order to provide a safe and secure event. Fair enough.

However, in order to get around the issue of restricted movement, staff at St James' hospital among other work places have been issued with an "essential worker pass" for passing Garda cordons.

This pass (see below) is endorsed with a government of Ireland logo and also (unfortunately) a papal cross.




As we all know, hospital staff are traditionally from a multi ethnic and religious diverse background. That the State is issuing them a badge necessary for them to get to work next weekend which is emblazoned with a papal cross, is shortsighted if not against the spirit of a secular State.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/opw-defends-decision-to-issue-pass-with-crucifix-to-health-staff-during-pope-s-visit-1.3603009?mode=amp

In summary, the pass is clearly identifiable as being a State issue (government of Ireland/Harp) and should therefore not include religious imagery on it. It is offensive to both the ideals of a secular state and for those who must present it when needs be.
Hopefully there is some barcode at the back of it that has some scanning capacity for proper security.

Other than that I like the nice simple design.
 

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Fair enough - bad design. They should have put that yellow key thing from the vatican flag.

Or, you know, not invite the delagation of World Pedophiles in the first place.
 

ruserious

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It's the main landmark involved in the event. Get over it. It's not a religious badge. Stop being stupid.
Why not simply have the words "world meeting of families"? Religious iconry is offensive to people who do not want to carry it. Especially if you require it for work.
It is a small issue at the end of the day but as a massive proponent of a secular state, one I want documented and discussed.
 

ruserious

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we're not really a secular state.
There are certain state jobs you cannot get unless you are Catholic.
Or a lying atheist. Isn't that right Michael D...
 

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In summary, the pass is clearly identifiable as being a State issue (government of Ireland/Harp) and should therefore not include religious imagery on it. It is offensive to both the ideals of a secular state and for those who must present it when needs be.
Anyone who thinks a Papal Cross is a problem should really find another country to live in.
 

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So someone called Francis is visiting Ireland this weekend and as his visit is deemed so important, measures have been taken to restrict movement around the city in order to provide a safe and secure event. Fair enough.

However, in order to get around the issue of restricted movement, staff at St James' hospital among other work places have been issued with an "essential worker pass" for passing Garda cordons.

This pass (see below) is endorsed with a government of Ireland logo and also (unfortunately) a papal cross.




As we all know, hospital staff are traditionally from a multi ethnic and religious diverse background. That the State is issuing them a badge necessary for them to get to work next weekend which is emblazoned with a papal cross, is shortsighted if not against the spirit of a secular State.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/opw-defends-decision-to-issue-pass-with-crucifix-to-health-staff-during-pope-s-visit-1.3603009?mode=amp

In summary, the pass is clearly identifiable as being a State issue (government of Ireland/Harp) and should therefore not include religious imagery on it. It is offensive to both the ideals of a secular state and for those who must present it when needs be.
The amount of whingeing going on about a couple of days of inconvenience by some is truly pathetic.

As for the OP as Sync points out it's a landmark image.

If it was in Croke Park and there was a depiction of Croke Park on it would you be creating an OP about that?

Get over it FFS... :roll:
 

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The amount of whingeing going on about a couple of days of inconvenience by some is truly pathetic.

As for the OP as Sync points out it's a landmark image.

If it was in Croke Park and there was a depiction of Croke Park on it would you be creating an OP about that?

Get over it FFS... :roll:
No because Croke Park doesn't have a history of raping kids as far as I am aware.
 

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Wonder who was paid to come up with that?

Was it in-house or contracted out? In the UK, in similar situations, essential workers dont use passes adorned with a logo referencing the visiting dignitary.
 

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No because Croke Park doesn't have a history of raping kids as far as I am aware.
Neither does the cross in the Phoenix Park... FFS...

And it would be the GAA that would be the legitimate target... not Croke Park.

Catholicism doesn't own the cross as an emblem anyway. It's a Christian thing.
 
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Anyone who thinks a Papal Cross is a problem should really find another country to live in.
Thankfully the Irish State is a bit like a lobster in a cooling pot. However any attempt to ratchet up the heat a little, will be pointed out and will be ridiculed for what it is.
 

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Just cover over the cross bit with some paper and some sellotape. Any garda gets uppity about it take their number and see a solicitor shortly afterwards. Should be worth a few bob if you are an atheist and object to being forced to carry religious imagery.

Might as well make a few quid out of it along with the entertainment value. Chances are one of the workers being told they have to have that to pass the barrier will be from another religion anyway and will object similarly.

Better yet get some legal advice before the day.
 

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Do we formally claim to be a secular state?
Not yet.

Good Friday Ban - Check

Next up:
Angelus
Preamble
State controlled Schools and Hospitals
Essential worker passes

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