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Worst Waste of Money ever on the Irish Language


Supermanpolitician

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Usual debate will ensue (where I take the commen sense ground of saying it is culturally important but shouldn't be rammed down our throats), but one thing really P8ssed me off recently.

My wife had a baby in Holles Street recently. Those of you who know it know the wonderful job the staff do there. Like every hospital they are under financial pressure.

But when you walk outside there is a sign in Irish telling you not to allow your dog foul the footpath.

Honestly, how many Irish speakers walk their dog outside Holles St Hospital and if so, how many of you need to be told this in Irish?
 

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Usual debate will ensue (where I take the commen sense ground of saying it is culturally important but shouldn't be rammed down our throats), but one thing really P8ssed me off recently.
You are easily pissed off.
My wife had a baby in Holles Street recently.
Congratulations, I hope mother and child are doing well.

Those of you who know it know the wonderful job the staff do there. Like every hospital they are under financial pressure.
Great to hear someone speak nicely of a hospital.

But when you walk outside there is a sign in Irish telling you not to allow your dog foul the footpath.
Is the sign also in English? All such signs should be bi-lingual.

Honestly, how many Irish speakers walk their dog outside Holles St Hospital and if so, how many of you need to be told this in Irish?
Here is the problem:

1. Is the sign bi-lingual, it should be.
2. If they are already making the sign in English, how much could it really cost to add a few Irish words?
3. Even if it was just in Irish, how much money was actually wasted on this sign?
4. If you think this is the biggest waste of money on the Irish language then you are in for a shock if you ever read up on it (and I am pro-Gaeilge).
 

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You should go to Wales and you would see what a bi-lingual policy really looks like. In Ireland we only have the merest tokenism.
 

Supermanpolitician

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You are easily pissed off.


Congratulations, I hope mother and child are doing well.



Great to hear someone speak nicely of a hospital.



Is the sign also in English? All such signs should be bi-lingual.



Here is the problem:

1. Is the sign bi-lingual, it should be.
2. If they are already making the sign in English, how much could it really cost to add a few Irish words?
3. Even if it was just in Irish, how much money was actually wasted on this sign?
4. If you think this is the biggest waste of money on the Irish language then you are in for a shock if you ever read up on it (and I am pro-Gaeilge).
Interested to hear why you think it should be in Irish and English?

It costs money to have them translated into Irish. I could honestly say that there is no single Irish speaker in Dublin who does not also speak English.

I think paying for the translation and erection of Dog Fouling signs in Irish anywhere outside the Gaeltacht is a waste of money.
 

Supermanpolitician

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You are easily pissed off.


Congratulations, I hope mother and child are doing well.



Great to hear someone speak nicely of a hospital.



Is the sign also in English? All such signs should be bi-lingual.



Here is the problem:

1. Is the sign bi-lingual, it should be.
2. If they are already making the sign in English, how much could it really cost to add a few Irish words?
3. Even if it was just in Irish, how much money was actually wasted on this sign?
4. If you think this is the biggest waste of money on the Irish language then you are in for a shock if you ever read up on it (and I am pro-Gaeilge).
Yes I am easily pissed off when I see tax money thrown down the toilet. I have posted on the port tunnel, Luas and other areas where tax money was thrown around like confetti. But somehow the Irish language is some sacred cow above criticism when it comes to spending money.

Does anybody honestly think this dog fouling sign has done anything to promote Irish?
 

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Does anybody honestly think this dog fouling sign has done anything to promote Irish?
Absolutely not.
Out of curiosity, can you tell me the Irish word for dogsh!t? I want to ring up Eamon O Cuiv and yell it at him repeatedly every time he opens his gombeen mouth.
 

joel

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Yes I am easily pissed off when I see tax money thrown down the toilet. I have posted on the port tunnel, Luas and other areas where tax money was thrown around like confetti. But somehow the Irish language is some sacred cow above criticism when it comes to spending money.

Does anybody honestly think this dog fouling sign has done anything to promote Irish?

Sure, they're Irish dogs.
 

Supermanpolitician

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Absolutely not.
Out of curiosity, can you tell me the Irish word for dogsh!t? I want to ring up Eamon O Cuiv and yell it at him repeatedly every time he opens his gombeen mouth.
Not sure. Probably "caic madra" or some such.

Shout to O Ciuv "You're a pile of dog poo" in English. He'll understand, like all gaelgoers.

Baby is home today so won't be passing by the sign again soon (hopefully).
 

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Yes I am easily pissed off when I see tax money thrown down the toilet. I have posted on the port tunnel, Luas and other areas where tax money was thrown around like confetti. But somehow the Irish language is some sacred cow above criticism when it comes to spending money.

Does anybody honestly think this dog fouling sign has done anything to promote Irish?
You begrudge a few euros to Irish but you're happy with the many hundreds of millions we are spending on teaching English to Russians, Rwandans and Ruritanians!

You're a lousy hypocrite.
 

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You begrudge a few euros to Irish but you're happy with the many hundreds of millions we are spending on teaching English to Russians, Rwandans and Ruritanians!

You're a lousy hypocrite.
Evidence of the above, please.
 

TommyO'Brien

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You think that is bad. One state company printed 1400 copies of its annual report as gaeilge under the orders of Eamo. Number of copies asked for? 0 Number of copies pulped after being held in storage for the year: 1400. Number of Irish language copies of the annual report published the next year: 1400. Number of copies requested? 0. Number pulped after being held in storage? 1400.

And so the saga went on and on and on and on . . .
 

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Interested to hear why you think it should be in Irish and English?
The 1st language of the state is Gaeilge. It may well be a requirement for signs by any Public Service. It may well be in the Official Languages Act, 2003.

That is why I say it should be.

It costs money to have them translated into Irish.
That phrase would only need to be translated once and could be used around the country*. So the cost of translation would need to be divided by the number of signs

* This would be expecting our Public Service to do something the right way.


I could honestly say that there is no single Irish speaker in Dublin who does not also speak English.

I think paying for the translation and erection of Dog Fouling signs in Irish anywhere outside the Gaeltacht is a waste of money.
You are entitled to your opinion. I could think of more important things but I would not worry about these signs which cost very little compared to the big issues. For example, when you were in a hospital you might have been concerned by the multi-millions being wasted by the HSE.
 

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Evidence? From Horace Horse?

He doesn't do evidence, just racism.
I know. But the citation from some frothing mouthed nazi on Stormfront as evidence will provide me with some much needed humour.
 

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Just before we all get carried away and this turns into a 500+ post thread; we are all clear that we are talking about a sign concerning dog sh!t?
 

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You begrudge a few euros to Irish but you're happy with the many hundreds of millions we are spending on teaching English to Russians, Rwandans and Ruritanians!

You're a lousy hypocrite.
Eh....where on planet earth (or on whatever plant you are on) have I said that we should be paying people to learn English?

The money could be better spent elsewhere, even in Irish language projects such as drama or music. Though personally I would prefer to see it in our healthcare.

The one place where money should not be spent to promote Irish is on dog crap signs outside Holles St? It is a waste of money.


I know what is doneis done and there is no point in taking it down, but at some stage, some civil servant who is obviously responsible for public money said "I think we should have a sign in Irish outside the National Maternity Hospital in the middle of Dublin, where Irish is the seventh or possibly even eight most spoken language, saying that you should not allow your dog foul the pavement. That will promote the Irish language."

Whatever person said this is obviously an idiot and should be sacked.
 

Gruffalo

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Y
es I am easily pissed off when I see tax money thrown down the toilet.
A small amount compared to the vast quantities being wasted in the HSE, considering you were in a hospital.

I have posted on the port tunnel, Luas and other areas where tax money was thrown around like confetti. But somehow the Irish language is some sacred cow above criticism when it comes to spending money.
It is not a sacred cow. You are entitled to complain about it but to label it as the biggest waste of money ever is going way overboard.

Does anybody honestly think this dog fouling sign has done anything to promote Irish?
It has made the language visible, therefore yes, a minimal amount. And some locals probably know how to say dog sh1t.
 

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Just before we all get carried away and this turns into a 500+ post thread; we are all clear that we are talking about a sign concerning dog sh!t?

Yeah, not the sort of ******************** you specialise in - ****************************************.
 
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