Would the House of Lords dare oppose the 494 to 122 MPs and the UK People on Brexit?

Hans Von Horn

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The Commons have passed the Brexit Bill by a massive majority effectively giving the Government a free hand in implementing Brexit.

The House of Lords could oppose the Brexit Bill to delay it, given that they were appointed rather than elected, would they, dare oppose the democratic vote of the British People and of their elected Parliament?

Were the Lords to impede Brexit it would surely invite constitutional reform which would make the Lords more democratic.

Various amendments to the Brexit Bill were voted down and the Government gave an assurance that the UK Parliament will have an opportunity to accept any deal negotiated with the EU or alternatively to leave the EU without any deal.

The UK Supreme Court found that the action of triggering the Notice to Leave under Article 50 is irrevocable, and that finding was the basis on which they determined that Parliament must pass an Act to trigger Article 50.

Now that the UK Parliament will have much more control over British Affairs will pressure grow to reform the Lords which comprises over 800 members some 92 of whom are Hereditary Peers.

Will pressure grow to have more elected rather than appointed Lords?
 


diaspora-mick

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The Commons have passed the Brexit Bill by a massive majority effectively giving the Government a free hand in implementing Brexit.

The House of Lords could oppose the Brexit Bill to delay it, given that they were appointed rather than elected, would they, dare oppose the democratic vote of the British People and of their elected Parliament?

Were the Lords to impede Brexit it would surely invite constitutional reform which would make the Lords more democratic.

Various amendments to the Brexit Bill were voted down and the Government gave an assurance that the UK Parliament will have an opportunity to accept any deal negotiated with the EU or alternatively to leave the EU without any deal.

The UK Supreme Court found that the action of triggering the Notice to Leave under Article 50 is irrevocable, and that finding was the basis on which they determined that Parliament must pass an Act to trigger Article 50.

Now that the UK Parliament will have much more control over British Affairs will pressure grow to reform the Lords which comprises over 800 members some 92 of whom are Hereditary Peers.

Will pressure grow to have more elected rather than appointed Lords?
Well they did their best to block Home Rule for Ireland for many decades ... so you never know ...
 

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Well they did their best to block Home Rule for Ireland for many decades ... so you never know ...
Home rule was passed because the House of Lords veto was stopped.
 

Cellachán Chaisil

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Well given the commons voted down an amendment yesterday to protect rights acquired under the GFA, it would be nice for some adults to intervene in the madness.
 
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The Commons have passed the Brexit Bill by a massive majority effectively giving the Government a free hand in implementing Brexit.

The House of Lords could oppose the Brexit Bill to delay it, given that they were appointed rather than elected, would they, dare oppose the democratic vote of the British People and of their elected Parliament?

Were the Lords to impede Brexit it would surely invite constitutional reform which would make the Lords more democratic.

Various amendments to the Brexit Bill were voted down and the Government gave an assurance that the UK Parliament will have an opportunity to accept any deal negotiated with the EU or alternatively to leave the EU without any deal.

The UK Supreme Court found that the action of triggering the Notice to Leave under Article 50 is irrevocable, and that finding was the basis on which they determined that Parliament must pass an Act to trigger Article 50.

Now that the UK Parliament will have much more control over British Affairs will pressure grow to reform the Lords which comprises over 800 members some 92 of whom are Hereditary Peers.

Will pressure grow to have more elected rather than appointed Lords?
Did it? When did that happen?
 

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The Commons have passed the Brexit Bill by a massive majority effectively giving the Government a free hand in implementing Brexit.

The House of Lords could oppose the Brexit Bill to delay it, given that they were appointed rather than elected, would they, dare oppose the democratic vote of the British People and of their elected Parliament?

Were the Lords to impede Brexit it would surely invite constitutional reform which would make the Lords more democratic.

Various amendments to the Brexit Bill were voted down and the Government gave an assurance that the UK Parliament will have an opportunity to accept any deal negotiated with the EU or alternatively to leave the EU without any deal.

The UK Supreme Court found that the action of triggering the Notice to Leave under Article 50 is irrevocable, and that finding was the basis on which they determined that Parliament must pass an Act to trigger Article 50.

Now that the UK Parliament will have much more control over British Affairs will pressure grow to reform the Lords which comprises over 800 members some 92 of whom are Hereditary Peers.

Will pressure grow to have more elected rather than appointed Lords?
Lords, Queens, .... only in England.

And people wonder why Ireland then wanted and Scotland now wants out of the "United" "Kingdom"
 

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Well given the commons voted down an amendment yesterday to protect rights acquired under the GFA, it would be nice for some adults to intervene in the madness.

Yes, they showed just why the world should trust them to negotiate international agreements, didn't they?
 

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Its amazing to see the UK government threaten the upper house with abolition if they don't vote on demand. This isn't democracy - its tin pot dictatorship stuff.

The UK needs a real constitution.
 

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Its amazing to see the UK government threaten the upper house with abolition if they don't vote on demand. This isn't democracy - its tin pot dictatorship stuff.

The UK needs a real constitution.
If it lasts long enough to write one.
 

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Its amazing to see the UK government threaten the upper house with abolition if they don't vote on demand. This isn't democracy - its tin pot dictatorship stuff.

The UK needs a real constitution.
Yeah how dare the elected body lecture the unelected body.
 

Erudite Caveman

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Lords, Queens, .... only in England.

And people wonder why Ireland then wanted and Scotland now wants out of the "United" "Kingdom"
In fairness, it isn't the royals, or the Lords or even the Members of the Commons that have delivered this mess - the ultimate blame lies squarely on the peasants and their use of their referendum votes.
 

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Its amazing to see the UK government threaten the upper house with abolition if they don't vote on demand. This isn't democracy - its tin pot dictatorship stuff.

The UK needs a real constitution.
Don't fall for that one! My lot got a new Constitution in 2000 to replace the patchy old ones, and now they're just winging it and inventing stuff on the side.
 

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Hey! Don't forget those philanthropic donors who've given millions to political Parties because of their reverence for British Democracy!
And the odd (and I mean odd) Trade Union leader.
 

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Peter Hain MP says he has support in the House of Lords for an amendment to the bill for triggering art 50
to keep the status quo re the NI border.

Says he will resign if it is not passed.
 

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Says he will resign if it is not passed.
In time-honoured fashion the Tory government is currently dancing as frantic a round of the sauve qui peut jig as we've seen in decades. Hain is not only yesterday's man he's yesterday's Labour man. They're prepared to throw so many babies out with the bathwater anyway that if he wants to fling himself under the runaway steamroller they'll hardly even shrug.

Fair dues to the man, though.
 

The Field Marshal

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In time-honoured fashion the Tory government is currently dancing as frantic a round of the sauve qui peut jig as we've seen in decades. Hain is not only yesterday's man he's yesterday's Labour man. They're prepared to throw so many babies out with the bathwater anyway that if he wants to fling himself under the runaway steamroller they'll hardly even shrug.

Fair dues to the man, though.
Hain was sec of state for NI.
As such I think he would have quite a bit of influence wrt to the effects of brexit on the NI border.

2/3 rds of UK MPs were opposed to Brexit.

The politics of this thing has a way to go yet.
 


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