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YNET News : Third Intifada has been Declared.


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[video=youtube;OU8CRBtyVcM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OU8CRBtyVcM[/video]

Hebron group: 3rd intifada has begun - Israel News, Ynetnews


Putting aside the fact that we don't know who these guys are , or what they are saying as it is in Arabic, it is a very sobering occasion indeed, if it proves true. Hebron is a hotbed of settler aggression and a symbolic flashpoint for inter-community violence between the Local Arabs and the illegal immigrants in the Israeli settlements. If a full blown revolution were to erupt in Hebron it would be a very dangerous prospect for the Israeli immigrants that have chosen to live there in contravention of international Law. Recent events there have been indicative of a move towards violent resistance with the recent routing of two Israeli army squads and a general increase in violent incidents throughout the West Bank.

IDF restraint policy backfires - Israel Opinion, Ynetnews

Reuters: IDF soldiers beat our cameramen in Hebron - Israel News, Ynetnews

Hebron: Soldiers shoot Palestinian who threw firebomb - Israel News, Ynetnews

Has the Third Intifada begun?
 


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It's Israel's own fault. Decades of intransigence, land grabbing, settlements, settler violence, checkpoints have caught up with them. The message all of this has sent to Palestinians is that the diplomatic process doesn't work.

I wish the freedom fighters well against their Cromwellian overlords.
 

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Putting aside the fact that we don't know who these guys are , or what they are saying as it is in Arabic, it is a very sobering occasion indeed, if it proves true. Hebron is a hotbed of settler aggression and a symbolic flashpoint for inter-community violence between the Local Arabs and the illegal immigrants in the Israeli settlements. If a full blown revolution were to erupt in Hebron it would be a very dangerous prospect for the Israeli immigrants that have chosen to live there in contravention of international Law. Recent events there have been indicative of a move towards violent resistance with the recent routing of two Israeli army squads and a general increase in violent incidents throughout the West Bank.

IDF restraint policy backfires - Israel Opinion, Ynetnews

Reuters: IDF soldiers beat our cameramen in Hebron - Israel News, Ynetnews

Hebron: Soldiers shoot Palestinian who threw firebomb - Israel News, Ynetnews

Has the Third Intifada begun?
How do you know its an intifada if you don't know what they are saying? At this stage I'm afraid of standing in front of a camera in case someone mistakes it for a declaration of an Intifada.
 

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I hope it isn't. Just serves as a propaganda gift to the colonialist land thieves. They might even use a new intifada to expel Arabs from parts of the West Bank as "security measures".
 

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It's Israel's own fault. Decades of intransigence, land grabbing, settlements, settler violence, checkpoints have caught up with them. The message all of this has sent to Palestinians is that the diplomatic process doesn't work.

I wish the freedom fighters well against their Cromwellian overlords.
You do realise that in the event of renewed hostilities, it is the Palestinians who will suffer higher casualties?

As things stand with Iron Dome the Palestinian cause cannot be advanced militarily. They hope to have plentiful civilian casualties to stoke the ire of the Ummah and their Western Allies.

So, by wishing the Palestinians well against their overlords, you are wishing for a high civilian death toll.
 

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Has the Third Intifada begun?
I would say it is indeed kicking off.

Gaza has done its bit for now and the action moves to the Occupied Territories. Israel has scored an own goal by with-holding funds from the already discredited PA. In the OT the radical youth have taken courage from the brave stand of their cousins in Gaza and Hamas has maintained a comprehensive, well-motivated maquis. They just need to press the button.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance

The French Resistance (French; La Résistance française) is the name used to denote the collection of French resistance movements that fought against the Nazi German occupation of France and against the collaborationist Vichy régime during World War II. Résistance cells were small groups of armed men and women (called the Maquis in rural areas),[2][3] who, in addition to their guerrilla warfare activities, were also publishers of underground newspapers, providers of first-hand intelligence information, and maintainers of escape networks that helped Allied soldiers and airmen trapped behind enemy lines. The men and women of the Résistance came from all economic levels and political leanings of French society, including émigrés; conservative Roman Catholics, including priests; members of the Jewish community; and citizens from the ranks of liberals, anarchists, and communists
 
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You do realise that in the event of renewed hostilities, it is the Palestinians who will suffer higher casualties?

As things stand with Iron Dome the Palestinian cause cannot be advanced militarily. They hope to have plentiful civilian casualties to stoke the ire of the Ummah and their Western Allies.

So, by wishing the Palestinians well against their overlords, you are wishing for a high civilian death toll.
The peace process is non-existent and this may finally force Obama to create one or for the EU to apply real pressure including an arms embargo. Our ancestors did not just roll over because of a fear of more casualties. I am instinctively a pacifist but self-defence is different. The IDF is gobbling off more Palestinian property to plan t Jewish settlers. So in reality, the Israelis are already waging war. What the Palestinians in the WB are now doing - if the video is authentic - is therefore an act of self-defence. The Palestinians have learned the hard way that waiting around for the civilised world to ride to the rescue on a white horse isn't going to work. So armed-struggle may be the only answer.

I would also point out Druidess, that while the Palestinians may not be able to attack Israel, the settlements are another matter entirely.

This is what Palestine is fighting:

[video=youtube;EC6C-cAc240]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC6C-cAc240[/video]
 
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Great article in today's Guardian by Chris McGreal which points to the threat to Israel and the US posed by Palestinian recourse to the International Criminal Court ( ICC )

The US and the British tried to get the Palestinians to renounce the right to accede to the ICC, on the grounds it would complicate a nonexistent peace process. However, it is hard to imagine that Washington and London were not also worried about the implications if the court moved on from accusing African despots and warlords to charging soldiers and officials of a close ally, armed by the west, with war crimes in Gaza.
But now, the Palestinians have raised the prospect of a different ICC action, over the settlements, following the E1 announcement. The Palestinian foreign minister, Riad Malki, said this week that if Israel pushes ahead with the settlement construction, his government will look to the court for redress.

"Then we would be able to prosecute Israel for all the war crimes it perpetrated against our people in the past, especially the construction of settlements," he told Voice of Palestine radio. "It all depends on whether Israel would continue with its settlement plan."

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said much the same during a visit to Turkey. Israel's colonies in the West Bank are a clear breach of international law under Article 49 of the 1949 Geneva Conventions, which bans on an occupying power from moving its civilian population onto occupied territory – a clause included, in large part, because of Nazi attempts to colonise areas of occupied Poland by planting Germans there.
The comparison with Nazi Germany is interesting and very apt. During WWII, the Nazi's annexed and colonised parts of Western Poland. Poles were ethnically cleansed from the "Warthegau" and "West Prussia" and replaced with German Colonists by Nazi Gauleiters Artur Greiser and Albert Forster.

McGreal also correctly refers to the settlements such as Maale Adumim as colonies, since they are in clear breach of the 4th Geneva Conventions which were designed in part to outlaw crimes such as those committed by the Nazi's in Poland.

International criminal court is a lever for Palestinians on Israeli settlements | Chris McGreal | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
 
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I would say it is indeed kicking off.

Gaza has done its bit for now and the action moves to the Occupied Territories. Israel has scored an own goal by with-holding funds from the already discredited PA. In the OT the radical youth have taken courage from the brave stand of their cousins in Gaza and Hamas has maintained a comprehensive, well-motivated maquis. They just need to press the button.

French Resistance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So you're as extatic as Carlos during the Gaza 8 day war?

From the river to the sea Israel will be free.
 

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Great article in today's Guardian Chris McGreal which points to the threat to Israel and the US posed by Palestinian recourse to the International Criminal Court ( ICC )





The comparison with Nazi Germany is interesting and very apt. During WWII, the Nazi's annexed and colonised parts of Western Poland. Poles were ethnically cleansed from the "Warthegau" and "West Prussia" and replaced with German Colonists by Nazi Gauleiters Artur Greiser and Albert Forster.

McGreal also correctly refers to the settlements such as Maale Adumimim as colonies, since they are in clear breach of the 4th Geneva Conventions which were designed in part to outlaw crimes such as those committed by the Nazi's in Poland.

International criminal court is a lever for Palestinians on Israeli settlements | Chris McGreal | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

The 4th Geneva conventions are irrelevant as the territory is jewish designate by the LoN that preceded the UN, and this is perpetuated by the UN Charter.
 

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The 4th Geneva conventions are irrelevant as the territory is jewish designate by the LoN that preceded the UN, and this is perpetuated by the UN Charter.
balderdash as McGreal highlights in the same article

In any case, the United Nations security council, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice and the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions all say the Israeli colonies are a breach of Article 49. No government other than Israel, not even the US, regards the settlements as legal.
The legal precedents cited by yourself and L'Chaim carry no weight in international law. And you know that.
 

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The 4th Geneva conventions are irrelevant as the territory is jewish designate by the LoN that preceded the UN, and this is perpetuated by the UN Charter.
The LoN is widely regarded as having been a disaster. But leaving that aside, the Balfour Declaration did not use the word "Jewish state" but rather "homeland". Not the same thing. Furthermore, it also said that the rights of the existing Arab populations were not to be prejudiced. That has clearly not happened and so Israel is in violation of this much-vaunted declaration.
 

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Ahhh yes. Israel bad Terror good.
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It's Israel's own fault. Decades of intransigence, land grabbing, settlements, settler violence, checkpoints have caught up with them. The message all of this has sent to Palestinians is that the diplomatic process doesn't work.

I wish the freedom fighters well against their Cromwellian overlords.
Are you describing the Irish under the Brits?
 

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How do you know its an intifada if you don't know what they are saying? At this stage I'm afraid of standing in front of a camera in case someone mistakes it for a declaration of an Intifada.
If you look anything like you avatar there is no fekin danger of that.
 
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Ok, Israel is acting illegally and should at once cease their building of settlements. Everyone agreed on that I'd say. However, from all accounts Palestine is an absolutely wretched place to live for its unfortunate inhabitants, and this isn't helped by it's miserable excuse for a government.

Let's imagine a Palestinian cabinet brain storming session. The best answer to their numerous problems is, "Let's have an Intifada." Presumably the idea from the previous session of, "I know, let's run this up the flagpole and see where blue sky thinking runs with the ball, we'll fire missiles at Israel," hasn't solved the problems of unemployment, dreadful health services etc etc.

Makes anyone wonder what sort of ideas which would improve the lot of the ordinary Palestinian were rejected. Gull misguided foreign supporters to get themselves arrested by trying to sail past the Israeli navy perhaps?
 

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I hope it isn't. Just serves as a propaganda gift to the colonialist land thieves. They might even use a new intifada to expel Arabs from parts of the West Bank as "security measures".
The EU should declare a Crusade against these towel & sheet bedecked foreskinless spawn of jackals and drive them from the Promised Land forever.
 

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You can protest to Caterpillar over it's bulldozers being used to demolish Palestinian homes in the WB by visiting their UK/Ireland website and sending them your complaints.

Courtesy of same website, their distributor in the UK/Ireland has been exposed.
Local Distributors in the UK and Ireland

Finning (UK) Limited is the national Cat dealer for the UK and Ireland serving Scotland, Wales, England, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Finning (UK) Ltd. is a division of Finning International Inc., one of the world's largest distributors of heavy equipment. The company headquarters for the UK and Ireland is in Cannock in Staffordshire which is supported by approximately 25 customer facing branches across these regions.
The next step is to get Irish businesses/local authorities/govt to boycott them, unless they halt their dealings with Caterpillar. We can do this the easy way or the hard way. Their website is here.
 
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The LoN is widely regarded as having been a disaster. But leaving that aside, the Balfour Declaration did not use the word "Jewish state" but rather "homeland". Not the same thing. Furthermore, it also said that the rights of the existing Arab populations were not to be prejudiced. That has clearly not happened and so Israel is in violation of this much-vaunted declaration.

The final goal of the mandates regime was to establish an independent Jewish state, and the mandates were only a temporary hold just until the people can take care of themselves.

The LoN's mandate resolution is tyhe only binding resolution about the Land of Israel since the 1920's, and it still holds today, especially when it's backed by the UN Charter article 80.

That's international law.
 

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