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So Britain could have told the Eu to shove its Laws up it Ar$e and stayed in the Eu.

So Britain could have told the Eu that it would do as it pleased with its borders and stayed in the Eu.

In that case , I don’t know why the Eu mislaid the UK !
 


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So Britain could have told the Eu to shove its Laws up it Ar$e and stayed in the Eu.

So Britain could have told the Eu that it would do as it pleased with its borders and stayed in the Eu.

In that case , I don’t know why the Eu mislaid the UK !
Thats more of a hit and run, then duck for cover effort.

Amusing as it goes, but hardly a reason for Ireland to leave the EU, and as that is your singular project I was actually hoping for, though hardly expecting, something a bit more substantial.
 

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So Britain could have told the Eu to shove its Laws up it Ar$e and stayed in the Eu.

So Britain could have told the Eu that it would do as it pleased with its borders and stayed in the Eu.

In that case , I don’t know why the Eu mislaid the UK !
I'd be of the opinion that the UK has mislaid the UK.

Have a read of what one of your heroes had to say about internationalism quoting, with approval a French Socialist.


It's at para 14.
 

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And then there's that really annoying thing for weirder's isn't there, 'When Ireland takes it's place amongst the nations of the Earth....'

When we voluntarily joined the pan European project that's precisely what we did.

Wonder what the epitaph should be.
 

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I'd be of the opinion that the UK has mislaid the UK.

Have a read of what one of your heroes had to say about internationalism quoting, with approval a French Socialist.


It's at para 14.
Tomorrow. That deserves careful reading. I will just say ; Brussels that well known Bastion of Socialism.
 

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I'd be of the opinion that the UK has mislaid the UK.

Have a read of what one of your heroes had to say about internationalism quoting, with approval a French Socialist.


It's at para 14.
Do you think the Eu ( best Friend of the Banker and Big Business ) is what these Socialists had in mind ? ! ? !

I prefer Connollys Irish Socialism and Irish Nationalism.Trust a Socialist to write such a long paragraph when what he said could be said in much less.

I could see Connolly being involved in an International Organisation to bring down the Eu Alright. That is pretty obvious.

The idea that James Connolly or Thomas Clarke would sell their Country or bend their knees to the Eu is completely ridiculous.

The Eu is about the exploitation of the Worker to the Benefit of the Banker and Business.
 

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Do you think the Eu ( best Friend of the Banker and Big Business ) is what these Socialists had in mind ? ! ? !

I prefer Connollys Irish Socialism and Irish Nationalism.Trust a Socialist to write such a long paragraph when what he said could be said in much less.

I could see Connolly being involved in an International Organisation to bring down the Eu Alright. That is pretty obvious.

The idea that James Connolly or Thomas Clarke would sell their Country or bend their knees to the Eu is completely ridiculous.

The Eu is about the exploitation of the Worker to the Benefit of the Banker and Business.
Someone obviously having second thoughts about Jeremy Corbyn. :rolleyes: Big supporter of Socialism and Worker's Rights is Jeremy, just like blinding..

Another Putin fan, too, just like blinding.

blinding supported Brexit so that the British Tories could destroy worker's rights, which are guaranteed in EU Treaties.

I see he did a quick Wikipedia read on Irish Nationalists as well. Well, good for him. Great namedropping. And a quick conversion back to Irish Nationalist from British Chauvinsim, too.

What do you think James Connolly, your new found hero, would make of Scottish Nationalism, he being born in Edinburgh? Spoke with a Scottish accent all his life. You reckon he and Boris the Old Etonian would set up a Worker's Rights Party together?
 

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Someone obviously having second thoughts about Jeremy Corbyn. :rolleyes: Big supporter of Socialism and Worker's Rights is Jeremy, just like blinding..

Another Putin fan, too, just like blinding.

blinding supported Brexit so that the British Tories could destroy worker's rights, which are guaranteed in EU Treaties.

I see he did a quick Wikipedia read on Irish Nationalists as well. Well, good for him. Great namedropping. And a quick conversion back to Irish Nationalist from British Chauvinsim, too.

What do you think James Connolly, your new found hero, would make of Scottish Nationalism, he being born in Edinburgh? Spoke with a Scottish accent all his life. You reckon he and Boris the Old Etonian would set up a Worker's Rights Party together?
I assume James Connolly would have Voted for Scotland to be an Independent Sovereign Nation State.

I certainly could see James Connolly being part of an International effort to destroy the Eu ( The Bankers and Big Business’s best friend )

Do you really see James Connolly boarding the Eu Gravy Train to sell out his Country. Pul the other one it has bells on it !
 

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Someone obviously having second thoughts about Jeremy Corbyn. :rolleyes: Big supporter of Socialism and Worker's Rights is Jeremy, just like blinding..

Another Putin fan, too, just like blinding.

blinding supported Brexit so that the British Tories could destroy worker's rights, which are guaranteed in EU Treaties.

I see he did a quick Wikipedia read on Irish Nationalists as well. Well, good for him. Great namedropping. And a quick conversion back to Irish Nationalist from British Chauvinsim, too.

What do you think James Connolly, your new found hero, would make of Scottish Nationalism, he being born in Edinburgh? Spoke with a Scottish accent all his life. You reckon he and Boris the Old Etonian would set up a Worker's Rights Party together?
Funnily enough Corbyn was always from the Left i.e. that Left that always had no time for the Eu. The selling of this Principle did Corbyn no favours in the Election. People saw that there was no Principle that he would not sell out.
 

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I assume James Connolly would have Voted for Scotland to be an Independent Sovereign Nation State.

I certainly could see James Connolly being part of an International effort to destroy the Eu ( The Bankers and Big Business’s best friend )

Do you really see James Connolly boarding the Eu Gravy Train to sell out his Country. Pul the other one it has bells on it !
I can think of few intellectual activities less rewarding than dragging historical personalities out of their proper chronology into a wholly different and alien context.

And there is one.

For the sake of a bit of trolling (which is the topic of the thread), I'd equally suggest:
  • Connolly was an internationalist:
I make no was upon patriotism: never have done. But against the patriotism of capitalism — the patriotism which makes the interest of the capitalist class the supreme test of duty and right — I place the patriotism of the working class, the patriotism which judges every public act by its effect upon the fortunes of those who toil. That which is good for the working class I esteem patriotic, but that party or movement is the most perfect embodiment of patriotism which most successfully works for the conquest by the working class of the control of the destinies of the land wherein they labour.
To me, therefore, the socialist of another country is a fellow-patriot, as the capitalist of my own country is a natural enemy.
[Forward, 15 August 1914]​
Perhaps an updated fantasy Connolly would have been a good nominee from Ireland as EU Commissioner for Jobs and Social Rights.​
  • Connolly's political ideas were formed, in part, during his time in Troy, NY, and Elizabeth , NJ, then becoming an organiser for the Socialist Party of America. At that time a potent influence was the IWW, the 'Wobblies'. The IWW was more than a trifle confused and confusing: its leadership rejected advances such as old-age pensions (they wouldn't be necessary were the workers to receive 'the full fruit of their labours') and even women's suffrage — for reasons of which I'm none too clear. Fortunately for his later reputation, Connolly didn't suffer from that infantile prejudice:
The attitude of most socialists, including the chief socialist press, in that matter [i.e. the woman issue] is just beneath contempt. All glory to the women, say I! Their hearty rebellion is worth more than a thousand speeches of the doctrinaire with which the socialist movement [...] is infected. I am with the militants, heart and soul.
[Letter, June 1913]​
The future of the working class requires that all political and social positions should be open to all men and women: that all privileges of birth and wealth be abolished, and that every man or woman born into this land should have an equal opportunity to attain to the proudest position in the land.
[King George V Manifesto, 1911]​
Equal opportunity: now there's an expression which has gained traction.​
  • By 1915-16, Connolly had moved on from the IWW to 'Industrial Unionism' (which many would see as a personal 'syndicalism'), and back to his earlier humanitarianism:
Socialism, in a word, bases itself upon its knowledge of facts, or economic truths, and leaves the building up of religious ideals or faiths to the outside public, or to its individual members if they will. It is neither freethinker nor christian, turk nor jew, buddhist nor idolater, mohometan nor parsee — it is only human.
[The Worker's Republic]​
Tell you what, blinding: start a thread on something worthwhile — the political philosophy of James Connolly. And I'll match you, quote for quote. And no trollery.
 

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I can think of few intellectual activities less rewarding than dragging historical personalities out of their proper chronology into a wholly different and alien context.

And there is one.

For the sake of a bit of trolling (which is the topic of the thread), I'd equally suggest:
  • Connolly was an internationalist:
I make no was upon patriotism: never have done. But against the patriotism of capitalism — the patriotism which makes the interest of the capitalist class the supreme test of duty and right — I place the patriotism of the working class, the patriotism which judges every public act by its effect upon the fortunes of those who toil. That which is good for the working class I esteem patriotic, but that party or movement is the most perfect embodiment of patriotism which most successfully works for the conquest by the working class of the control of the destinies of the land wherein they labour.
To me, therefore, the socialist of another country is a fellow-patriot, as the capitalist of my own country is a natural enemy.
[Forward, 15 August 1914]​
Perhaps an updated fantasy Connolly would have been a good nominee from Ireland as EU Commissioner for Jobs and Social Rights.​
  • Connolly's political ideas were formed, in part, during his time in Troy, NY, and Elizabeth , NJ, then becoming an organiser for the Socialist Party of America. At that time a potent influence was the IWW, the 'Wobblies'. The IWW was more than a trifle confused and confusing: its leadership rejected advances such as old-age pensions (they wouldn't be necessary were the workers to receive 'the full fruit of their labours') and even women's suffrage — for reasons of which I'm none too clear. Fortunately for his later reputation, Connolly didn't suffer from that infantile prejudice:
The attitude of most socialists, including the chief socialist press, in that matter [i.e. the woman issue] is just beneath contempt. All glory to the women, say I! Their hearty rebellion is worth more than a thousand speeches of the doctrinaire with which the socialist movement [...] is infected. I am with the militants, heart and soul.
[Letter, June 1913]​
The future of the working class requires that all political and social positions should be open to all men and women: that all privileges of birth and wealth be abolished, and that every man or woman born into this land should have an equal opportunity to attain to the proudest position in the land.
[King George V Manifesto, 1911]​
Equal opportunity: now there's an expression which has gained traction.​
  • By 1915-16, Connolly had moved on from the IWW to 'Industrial Unionism' (which many would see as a personal 'syndicalism'), and back to his earlier humanitarianism:
Socialism, in a word, bases itself upon its knowledge of facts, or economic truths, and leaves the building up of religious ideals or faiths to the outside public, or to its individual members if they will. It is neither freethinker nor christian, turk nor jew, buddhist nor idolater, mohometan nor parsee — it is only human.
[The Worker's Republic]​
Tell you what, blinding: start a thread on something worthwhile — the political philosophy of James Connolly. And I'll match you, quote for quote. And no trollery.
Ya could start it yourself , of course.

To summarise. I could certainly see James Connolly as part of an International Organisation to take down the Eu. The Eu is way to much of the Bankers for the Bankers for James Connolly to want to be part of it. The Eu is way too much of Big Business for Big Business for James Connolly to want anything to do with it.
 

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Ya could start it yourself , of course.

To summarise. I could certainly see James Connolly as part of an International Organisation to take down the Eu. The Eu is way to much of the Bankers for the Bankers for James Connolly to want to be part of it. The Eu is way too much of Big Business for Big Business for James Connolly to want anything to do with it.
What are you summarising?:)
 

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An attempt to bring an end to yours and others never-ending story.
Someone had the decency to give your trite little non sequiturs a bit of bandwidth by way of a nicely observed refutation of the type of imbecility that you inflict on us daily.

You were unable or unwilling to come back.

To those that know you, that doesn't come as anything of a surprise.

But to confirm, you are on the correct thread.
 

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Someone had the decency to give your trite little non sequiturs a bit of bandwidth by way of a nicely observed refutation of the type of imbecility that you inflict on us daily.

You were unable or unwilling to come back.

To those that know you, that doesn't come as anything of a surprise.

But to confirm, you are on the correct thread.
I can feel that you are coming round.
 

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Ya could start it yourself , of course.

To summarise. I could certainly see James Connolly as part of an International Organisation to take down the Eu. The Eu is way to much of the Bankers for the Bankers for James Connolly to want to be part of it. The Eu is way too much of Big Business for Big Business for James Connolly to want anything to do with it.
A ignorant and shallow assessment of James Connolly, but you really know nothing about Connolly beyond what you read on Wikipedia, do you? Are you even Irish at all?

Connolly was pro-European as a counterbalance to the British Empire. He saw the German Empire as a "gallant ally in Europe", and accepted arms from them to set Ireland free.

A Socialist and Internationalist like Connolly would have welcomed the EU that guarantees both peace and workers rights, and rejected Tories who jumped on Brexit as a vehicle to sabotage worker's rights and make the UK a low-wage economy.

Connolly would have rejected with disgust Vladimir Putin's EEU that invaded Ukraine - he had a deep belief in the Union of the Working Class everywhere, and that the Workers have no country. Least of one all with Tories in power.
 
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I can feel that you are coming round.
It is you who are coming round - in circles.

First an Irish Nationalist, then a British Tory, then an Irish Socialist Nationalist, next I suppose a National Socialist? Quite a study in political whoredom.
 


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