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A ignorant and shallow assessment of James Connolly, but you really know nothing about Connolly beyond what you read on Wikipedia, do you? Are you even Irish at all?

Connolly was pro-European as a counterbalance to the British Empire. He saw the German Empire as a "gallant ally in Europe", and accepted arms from them to set Ireland free.

A Socialist and Internationalist like Connolly would have welcomed the EU that guarantees both peace and workers rights, and rejected Tories who jumped on Brexit as a vehicle to sabotage worker's rights and make the UK a low-wage economy.

Connolly would have rejected with disgust Vladimir Putin's EU that invaded Ukraine - he had a deep belief in the Union of the Working Class everywhere, and that the Workers have no country. Least of one with Tories in power.
There is an awful lot of Low-Wage workers in Ireland , Britain ( when it was in the Eu ) and in the Eu. Thats what is happening in reality rather than the Goof talk about the Eu.

James Connolly would very likely have been in an International Organisation to bring down the Eu ( the Best friend of Banks and Big Business )

You just cannot come to terms with, that it was working class people ( Connolly's People ) that Voted Britain out of the Most Glorious Eu. Even after Three and a Half years of everything being thrown at the these Working Class People ( Connolly's People ) They again Voted democratically to kick the Most Glorious Eu out of their Country. I know which side James Connolly would have been on in this David versus Goliath battle. Long Live James Connolly and Long Live Working Class People.
 


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It is you who are coming round - in circles.

First an Irish Nationalist, then a British Tory, then an Irish Socialist Nationalist, next I suppose a National Socialist? Quite a study in political whoredom.
I am an All Ireland Irish Republican. Difficult for you to understand I suppose.
 

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I am not really a fan of men or women whinging in songs.

Try something up-beat.
Well we have your whingeing on a daily basis don't we, and dragging in our heroes to your self appointed cause would be wrong as wrong goes, if the weight to be either right or wrong was given to you.

It was and you didn't step up to the plate.

You've chosen, by non engagement to remain a fool and an ugly type of fool by way of calling in the memory of magnificent men on your behalf, the shoes of whom you arn't fit to lace and who would be aghast at your 'support', and your utterly odd reading of their aims and ambitions.
 

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I can think of few intellectual activities less rewarding than dragging historical personalities out of their proper chronology into a wholly different and alien context.

And there is one.

For the sake of a bit of trolling (which is the topic of the thread), I'd equally suggest:
  • Connolly was an internationalist:
I make no was upon patriotism: never have done. But against the patriotism of capitalism — the patriotism which makes the interest of the capitalist class the supreme test of duty and right — I place the patriotism of the working class, the patriotism which judges every public act by its effect upon the fortunes of those who toil. That which is good for the working class I esteem patriotic, but that party or movement is the most perfect embodiment of patriotism which most successfully works for the conquest by the working class of the control of the destinies of the land wherein they labour.
To me, therefore, the socialist of another country is a fellow-patriot, as the capitalist of my own country is a natural enemy.
[Forward, 15 August 1914]​
Perhaps an updated fantasy Connolly would have been a good nominee from Ireland as EU Commissioner for Jobs and Social Rights.​
  • Connolly's political ideas were formed, in part, during his time in Troy, NY, and Elizabeth , NJ, then becoming an organiser for the Socialist Party of America. At that time a potent influence was the IWW, the 'Wobblies'. The IWW was more than a trifle confused and confusing: its leadership rejected advances such as old-age pensions (they wouldn't be necessary were the workers to receive 'the full fruit of their labours') and even women's suffrage — for reasons of which I'm none too clear. Fortunately for his later reputation, Connolly didn't suffer from that infantile prejudice:
The attitude of most socialists, including the chief socialist press, in that matter [i.e. the woman issue] is just beneath contempt. All glory to the women, say I! Their hearty rebellion is worth more than a thousand speeches of the doctrinaire with which the socialist movement [...] is infected. I am with the militants, heart and soul.
[Letter, June 1913]​
The future of the working class requires that all political and social positions should be open to all men and women: that all privileges of birth and wealth be abolished, and that every man or woman born into this land should have an equal opportunity to attain to the proudest position in the land.
[King George V Manifesto, 1911]​
Equal opportunity: now there's an expression which has gained traction.​
  • By 1915-16, Connolly had moved on from the IWW to 'Industrial Unionism' (which many would see as a personal 'syndicalism'), and back to his earlier humanitarianism:
Socialism, in a word, bases itself upon its knowledge of facts, or economic truths, and leaves the building up of religious ideals or faiths to the outside public, or to its individual members if they will. It is neither freethinker nor christian, turk nor jew, buddhist nor idolater, mohometan nor parsee — it is only human.
[The Worker's Republic]​
Tell you what, blinding: start a thread on something worthwhile — the political philosophy of James Connolly. And I'll match you, quote for quote. And no trollery.
Connolly and his generation of Socialists believed in the "One Big Union" theory ... workers in each country would use Trade Unions to dominate production and politics, then cross-border Trade Unions would unite to make war impossible. That is the thinking behind the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW, famous as the Wobblies) that he helped found in the US.

By 1916, he had accepted that this had failed, so was ready to join with Nationalists is asserting Irish dissent from World War I.

Connolly and an Internationalist and a visionary of a big Union of Workers would have seen the EU as comparable and a very satisfactory development, especially if its was led by the Left.

blinding's misrepresentation of him is an ignorant travesty, that Connolly would have somehow supported stockbroker Nigel Farage in setting up an extreme Thatcherite and capitalist UK, with a deregulated low-wage economy, with no Trade Unions, or defences of workers.
 

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I am an All Ireland Irish Republican. Difficult for you to understand I suppose.
An All Ireland Irish Republican who will not accept the Democratic vote of the Irish (or the Northern Irish, or the Scots) to stay in the EU?

Saying it does not make it so. You do not live it.

You are a fake.
 

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An All Ireland Irish Republican who will not accept the Democratic vote of the Irish (or the Northern Irish, or the Scots) to stay in the EU?

Saying it does not make it so. You do not live it.

You are a fake.
Ireland as a whole has not Voted to stay in the Eu ( admittedly it probably would )

Northern Ireland and Scotland have only to get 50% + 1 to leave the British Union. I cannot for the life of me understand why this 50% + 1 and many many more are not forcing Referendums to get out of the British Union and join the Most Glorious Eu Empire .

Rather interestingly for the SNP ; One Third of their Voters Voted for Brexit ! ! !

Why are Scotland and Northern Ireland continuing to sponge off Southern England. You would think they would have more Self Respect than that.
 

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So when you say, the Nation State, It is just, for clarity, England that you're talking about.
 

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So when you say, the Nation State, It is just, for clarity, England that you're talking about.
The British working class voted for Control of their Democratic Sovereign Independent Nation State. I of course respect that.

I do of course hope that the Whole of Ireland would also Vote for that.

We did in fact Vote for it in 1918.
 

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No. It's kind of an English thing, and they seem to have given up on the 'British', not that it was ever their thing.

We voted in 1918 in line with Republican precedents which included our country taking its place amongst the nations of the earth which it did with EEC accession.
 

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No. It's kind of an English thing, and they seem to have given up on the 'British', not that it was ever their thing.

We voted in 1918 in line with Republican precedents which included our country taking its place amongst the nations of the earth which it did with EEC accession.
There was no Most Glorious Eu Empire in 1918. The Germans were working on such say 15 years after, alright.
 

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And yet you're happy to predict the views of the participants in 1916.

It's a numpty game.

Let me, as I've said before, introduce you to Mc Ivor who thinks that much of the trouble with the Tans was that they would have been Brexiters, and let you set up some sort of 'what if?' mentalist site for these sort of arcane discussions.
 

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Northern Ireland and Scotland have only to get 50% + 1 to leave the British Union.
Now there's a thing to puzzle on ...

If one aggregates the SNP with the other minor separatist factions, the 2011 Scottish Parliament election produced 998,867 votes for some form of 'independence'. Half the aggregate total vote would be 994,611. So not just +1, but +4,256.

Similarly, only by counting the Alliance vote as small-u 'unionist' (and my impression is that no longer applies), can the 2019 General Election in the Six Counties not have shown a majority against the Union.

But that calculation is, in truth, advanced trollery.
 

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There was no Most Glorious Eu Empire in 1918. The Germans were working on such say 15 years after, alright.
There is no "EU Empire" now either, only in the mind of Junior Cert History failures, of which you must be one.

There is Vladimir Putin's EEU Empire, which actually invaded a sovereign independent nation that refused to join it, but I notice shoddy little Putinistas run away when it is mentioned.

Glad to see you have stopped insulting the memory of a decent Irish Patriot, James Connolly, who would have no truck with Nigel Farage, or Vladimir Putin, or Jordan Peterson either, since we seem to be into anachronisms.
 

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Now there's a thing to puzzle on ...

If one aggregates the SNP with the other minor separatist factions, the 2011 Scottish Parliament election produced 998,867 votes for some form of 'independence'. Half the aggregate total vote would be 994,611. So not just +1, but +4,256.

Similarly, only by counting the Alliance vote as small-u 'unionist' (and my impression is that no longer applies), can the 2019 General Election in the Six Counties not have shown a majority against the Union.

But that calculation is, in truth, advanced trollery.
But surely it would be treason in blinding's mind to want to be part of Cruella de Merkel's European Empire?
 

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How come neither Northern Ireland or Scotland have 50%+1 and that great movement to leave the British Union ? It should really be a doddle.

Just a little touch to get that immovable object rolling both down and up any obstacle.
 

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I think in fairness to the moderation on here, that the 'outages' and security breach were more of a factor in the decamp.
The great outage of rece times led to a lot decamping. I was off this site for a while, mainly because when it came back I couldnt sign back in. Anyway, I joined in 2011 and find a lot of the threads now almost undreadable. Have to scroll through repeated abusive posts, usually between a couple of members who just keep at it, before getting to a post that adds to the debate.

I also note occassionally mods moderating on threads in which they're participating (sometimes trolling), that used to be a no no for obvious reasons.
 

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With so many people now staying at home or working from home because of coronavirus, and because of the failure of political parties to agree on government, online discussion boards now represent an important part of political discussion in this country, including even minor boards like this one.
This puts extra responsibility on moderators to moderate effectively and not use the board to grind their own axe or silence views they disagree with - moderator trolling is OK up to a point but should be avoided by website forums looking to grow and outlast rivals.
Last week, moderation of this site reached a new low when a comment about the Dail's register of members' interests resulted in ... the entire thread being removed! (At least that's how things appear from the computer that uploaded the comment.)
The removed thread:
 

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With so many people now staying at home or working from home because of coronavirus, and because of the failure of political parties to agree on government, online discussion boards now represent an important part of political discussion in this country, including even minor boards like this one.
This puts extra responsibility on moderators to moderate effectively and not use the board to grind their own axe or silence views they disagree with - moderator trolling is OK up to a point but should be avoided by website forums looking to grow and outlast rivals.
Last week, moderation of this site reached a new low when a comment about the Dail's register of members' interests resulted in ... the entire thread being removed! (At least that's how things appear from the computer that uploaded the comment.)
The removed thread:
It has a suspect link, posted by someone who never comments on the site, may well be some sort of bot or spam generator. The OP was a completely inadequate description of whatever topic the poster wanted to discuss.
 

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It has a suspect link, posted by someone who never comments on the site, may well be some sort of bot or spam generator. The OP was a completely inadequate description of whatever topic the poster wanted to discuss.
It was a link drop to a site which used a dubious domain name that combined the name of a large media organisation with another word. Basically these sites target discussion forums and blogs to get traffic. The M.O is always the same with a single clickbait title post, excerpt and link drop. There is no other interaction. Blogs with spam filtering often detect and delete these comments but forum sites often leave the problem up to the moderators.
 

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What do you propose should be done about it?
Hypothesis: Threads survive through some algorithm reflecting their activity- not their quality. So,

Topics that should not be given prominence, I don't give life to; no views, no replies.

Many trolls seek to destroy a thread by provoking someone else into a prolonged dogfight of exchanges of personal inventive and demands to 'reply to my earlier [shyte] post'. I decline to be the someone.

There are still worthy ideas promoted and examined in pie, but you do have to search for them. Often the tone of these vox populi s is completely disrespectful of received wisdom ( so proud of our Irish people). There is also much humour, for which, thanks.
 


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