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'You can keep your so-called workers,' US tyre mogul tells French minister


stopdoingstuff

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'You can keep your so-called workers,' US tyre mogul tells French minister | World news | guardian.co.uk

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in his letter to the minister after the latter had suggested he might like to take over a Goodyear tyre production factory in the economically struggling industrial heartland of northern France, near Amiens.

"Do you think we're stupid?" Taylor wrote to Montebourg.

He did not hold back.

"I've visited this factory several times. The French workers are paid high wages but only work three hours. They have one hour for their lunch, they talk for three hours and they work for three hours. I said this directly to their union leaders; they replied that's the way it is in France.

"Sir, your letter suggests you would like to open discussions with Titan. You think we're that stupid? Titan has money and the know-how to produce tyres. What does the crazy union have? It has the French government. The French farmer wants cheap tyres. He doesn't care if those tyres come from China or India or if those tyres are subsidised."
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"Titan is going to buy Chinese or Indian tyres, pay less than €1 an hour to workers and export all the tyres that France needs," Taylor boasted. "In five years, Michelin won't be producing tyres in France.

"You can keep your so-called workers.

"Titan is not interested in the factory in North Amiens," concluded Michigan-born Taylor,
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Asked about the letter on Wednesday, Montebourg refused to comment.

"I do not want to harm France's interests," he told journalists.
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Ok, now that I have stopped laughing, there is a deeper issue at stake here than just a chance to once again laugh at the lazy French and the ludicrous politicians. It raises lots of questions:

1. Are European workers lazy?

2. Are European workers competitive?

3. How do Europeans compete with the developing world?

4. How come some European countries are great at exporting and are able to compete industrially when others cant?

5. Is this more a story about one sector or is it systemic?

6. Does Europe need an "industrial policy", a more general competitiveness policy or something more?

7. Can the European economy become competitive without massive social unrest?

8. To what extent does the policy of bailouts help or hinder the situation?

9. Which has the greater role to play in getting Europe back on tract, the State or the private sector?

10. Why are the French such a bunch of lazy entitled wnkrs?
 
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The other side of the coin of course is the possibility that the French worker is right. I can't help noticing that they actually tend to make time for a culture and their contribution to global culture is pretty fair.

It may be that the notion that we all have to spend our lives on a hamster wheel of work so some obese drunk down at the golf club can order another round of gin and tonics is perhaps mistaken.
 

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Yanks turn up early and leave late. It's called presenteeism.
 

LamportsEdge

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Yanks turn up early and leave late. It's called presenteeism.
They also tend to move a lot slower. And require a combustion engine of some kind in which to do it.
 

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The other side of the coin of course is the possibility that the French worker is right. I can't help noticing that they actually tend to make time for a culture and their contribution to global culture is pretty fair.

It may be that the notion that we all have to spend our lives on a hamster wheel of work so some obese drunk down at the golf club can order another round of gin and tonics is perhaps mistaken.
I suppose the preferable scenario is a happy medium. Some European workers may work too little for good pay however the majority of Asian production workers work for too long for sh1te pay. Two wrongs do not make a right!
 

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Laughing at people being made unemployed? Go f*** yourself you pathetic pr*ck.
 
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Seems a bit rich to me.

He might want to look closer to home

My experience in the US was that my American colleagues spent a lot of time in the office. Elapsed time, that is. A lot of that time was non-productive.

real eye-opener came on one trip when was to spend a week in the San Fran HQ. I arranged meetings covering the entire week. All of the invites for the Friday meetings were declined. All of them.

On the Friday I discovered why. Practically the entire office was "working from home".

Each hour, on the hour, I'd receive relies to mails I'd sent.

Hint: if you're pretending to work from home, check your mail at random intervals rather than on the hour.
 

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I suppose the preferable scenario is a happy medium. Some European workers may work too little for good pay however the majority of Asian production workers work for too long for sh1te pay. Two wrongs do not make a right!
Agreed...
 

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1. Are European workers lazy?
Some are. Some aren't. The problem is that in large parts of Europe the laziest are protected more than elsewhere via lots of 'entitlements', various union f***wits and gutless politicians...

2. Are European workers competitive?
The best probably are, as well as those who work in high value added manufacturing and services.

What is happening though is that due to the points raised in 1.... the laziest can affect the rest and lead to their lack of effort and capability becoming the norm... lowest common denominator...

3. How do Europeans compete with the developing world?
We don't.... and nor should we. We should focus on high quality high value products cos we're simply not going to compete with the developing world until the developing world has caught up with our levels of pay etc. Then we can start competing with them again...

4. How come some European countries are great at exporting and are able to compete industrially when others cant?
Anglo American work ethic vs. the rest... The rest will lose... and France is part of the rest.

5. Is this more a story about one sector or is it systemic?
Systemic in large swathes of Europe... imo.

6. Does Europe need an "indistrial policy", a more general competitiveness policy or something more?
Europe needs to get real and quit arsing around protecting inefficient unproductive industries monopolised by idiot riddled unions.

7. Can the European economy become competitive without massive social unrest?
Probably not. Too many pampered workers in large parts of Europe who think they're 'entitled' to all sorts and that a retirement that lasts 30 or 40 years is their 'right'.

8. To what extent does the policy of bailouts help or hinder the situation?
Bailouts are bad regardless of whether they're state funded or otherwise... They distort everything.

9. Which has the greater role to play in getting Europe back on tract, the State or the private sector?
Private sector.

10. Why are the French such a bunch of lazy entitled wnkrs?
Years and decades of pampering which has led many of them to believe they're 'entitled' to all sorts. Plus they really don't seem to care who funds their livelihoods and seem quite prepared to screw future generations in order to maintain their expectations...

But the same thing is evident here as well... mainly due to Bertie A'hole Ahern and the eFFing traitors throwing money at problems hoping they'd go away instead of actually addressing and dealing with those problems head on.

Btw... not all French people are as you claim. There are plenty who are sick to the back teeth with the French 'state' and the unions etc.... with many who despised Sarkozy actually wanting him or someone like him back.

Hollande will destroy France.
 

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A more intelligent way to look at the problem by the American manager would be to review the incentives provided to the French workers.

The French worker pays a much higher proportion of his marginal income on taxes to overpaid politicians, state officials, quangoes etc.. than operates in Asia.

The French worker has been disincentivized. His tax money is wasted on bankers, well connected lobby gorups, media celebrities, and follies.

The Asian worker is incentivized. He sees fantastic trains, and infrastructure being put in place in his country.

The French state has demoralized the French workers. Similar to here. And to the US. But the French worker has the crudeness to state it openly. In other western countries it is shoved under the carpet in endemnic workplace politics.

But the knowitall businessman never even noticed. Instead he blames it all on the workers. He is missing the point.

He completely misunderstands the concept of malaise, and the malaise of the West. He misunderstands the cultural forces that are playing out in the West, and how they are wrecking society in a particularly insiduous and non-obvious manner.

And the loser in all of this is the French worker.
 
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"Titan is going to buy Chinese or Indian tyres, pay less than €1 an hour to workers and export all the tyres that France needs,"

God bless America.
 

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The other side of the coin of course is the possibility that the French worker is right. I can't help noticing that they actually tend to make time for a culture and their contribution to global culture is pretty fair.

It may be that the notion that we all have to spend our lives on a hamster wheel of work so some obese drunk down at the golf club can order another round of gin and tonics is perhaps mistaken.
Like it.
 

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Hint: if you're pretending to work from home, check your mail at random intervals rather than on the hour.
it's actually good practice to check email at predetermined times. stops people checking constantly for new messages or getting interrupted everytime a new mail pops up

working from home presents challenges but assuming someone is pretending to work because email is systematically arriving on the hour is nonsense. look at their output, much better indicator of someones efforts
 

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"Titan is going to buy Chinese or Indian tyres, pay less than €1 an hour to workers and export all the tyres that France needs,"

God bless America.
If Titan wants to buy Chinese or Indian tyres....then this customer here will not be buying Titan.
 

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Ok, now that I have stopped laughing, there is a deeper issue at stake here than just a chance to once again laugh at the lazy French and the ludicrous politicians. It raises lots of questions:

1. Are European workers lazy?

2. Are European workers competitive?

3. How do Europeans compete with the developing world?

4. How come some European countries are great at exporting and are able to compete industrially when others cant?

5. Is this more a story about one sector or is it systemic?

6. Does Europe need an "industrial policy", a more general competitiveness policy or something more?

7. Can the European economy become competitive without massive social unrest?

8. To what extent does the policy of bailouts help or hinder the situation?

9. Which has the greater role to play in getting Europe back on tract, the State or the private sector?

10. Why are the French such a bunch of lazy entitled wnkrs?
The big policy from the top down is the sub everything out to cheap countries to make more for share holders/ stake holders.

This is working so well that there wont be a reasonable job left in the next 20 years. You'll need a degree to clean the toilets at McDonalds.
 

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