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You know the GDR?

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The question rather should be: You knew the GDR? The part of Germany "behind the wall/iron courtain"?

Perversely the South made me think that capitalism isn't this bad. Could'nt say why, but I was attracted by Ireland even before the GDR was occupied. And what I saw here made me think that strange way I mentioned.

But that's not my question. I know what the Irish thought about my country an socialism at that time. Now Ireland has changed a lot since then and you're exposed to the common Euroimperial Propaganda as we are.

What do you know or think or think to know about my homeland (if you ever heard of it)?
 


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erm what
Are you asking me if i have ever heard of the GDR/DDR
The answer is yes of course as I think it would be to most people here.
Was never in the actual DDR but have been to Germany and Berlin good few times lived there for a while and have contacts (and trying to get more)

What do I think of the DDR, It was an occupation of victorious armies in both the west and east.
After the devastation of WW2 Germany as a whole and particularly berlin saw their land divided, their people split, families cut off and for many hardship, state control and torture
It should not have been allowed happen, and hopefully will never be allowed happen again

Berlin is one Germany is one Europe is One
 

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forest said:
erm what
Are you asking me if i have ever heard of the GDR/DDR
The answer is yes of course as I think it would be to most people here.
Was never in the actual DDR but have been to Germany and Berlin good few times lived there for a while and have contacts (and trying to get more)

What do I thing of the DDR, It was an occupation of victorious armies in both the west and east.
After the devastation of WW2 Germany as a whole and particularly Germany saw their land divided, their people split, families cut off and for many hardship, state control and torture
It should not have been allowed happen, and hopefully will never be allowed happen again

Berlin is one Germany is one Europe is One
Berlin is the Capital but Germany lost a lot of territory post WWI & WWII.

Up until 1970 the West German Government considered the National Territory to consist of Germany as it was in 1938 proir to the Anchluss with Austria.

It was only when the policy of Realpolitik was implemented in that year that the post War boundries were recognised as legitimate.

As for the DDR yes I was there a couple of times in 1968 & 1970. Only in East Berlin mind but it was an interesting place.

The Wall was a bit depressing though! :?
 

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felixed said:
The question rather should be: You knew the GDR? The part of Germany "behind the wall/iron courtain"?

Perversely the South made me think that capitalism isn't this bad. Could'nt say why, but I was attracted by Ireland even before the GDR was occupied. And what I saw here made me think that strange way I mentioned.

But that's not my question. I know what the Irish thought about my country an socialism at that time. Now Ireland has changed a lot since then and you're exposed to the common Euroimperial Propaganda as we are.

What do you know or think or think to know about my homeland (if you ever heard of it)?
You obviously have some agenda here.

What don't you just come out and say what ever it is you want to say?

I'm presuming its along the lines of:

You thought the GDR was a failed state, but in comparison to the ultra-consumerism and inequality of western europe of 2007, it wasn't such a bad place as people thought.
 

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The GDR/DDR was in fact the jewel in the crown of the Warsaw Pact group.
I studied there in Karl Marx Universitat - Leipzig. and drank in the MoritzBastei.
The DDR was despite its detractors a well run state. Education, Health, and Food for all.
You could even get Cuban cigars when there weren't hip elsewhere.
As for the culture, Auerbachs Keller was a bit of craic in the late 80's.
Pity about Kirsten Otto - I met her in Leipzig in the late eighties at the national training Stadium when she was at her prime and thought she was a man.
Apart from that and Honecker, a great state.
 

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I know of DDR, Dance Dance Revolution.
 

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qtman said:
You thought the GDR was a failed state, but in comparison to the ultra-consumerism and inequality of western europe of 2007, it wasn't such a bad place as people thought.
As the people are made to think. And so I want to know what you were told about the DDR and what your own experiences are. Because in Germany the youth ist told a whole lot of shite of what it was like.
 

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This is indeed a very strange thread.
 

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i know people whom live in the GDR (born and raised) whom are very clear that life is far far better now than in the pre 91 days of Erik Honiker (sp)
 

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felixed said:
qtman said:
You thought the GDR was a failed state, but in comparison to the ultra-consumerism and inequality of western europe of 2007, it wasn't such a bad place as people thought.
As the people are made to think. And so I want to know what you were told about the DDR and what your own experiences are. Because in Germany the youth ist told a whole lot of shite of what it was like.
Do you consider yourself more as East-German rather than as German? There is nothing wrong with that. However, I think there is a lot of nostalgia, or ostalgia as the Germans call it, for the DDR.

I´m sure that even if there ever was a united Ireland, many northeners will still consider themselves as Northern Irish rather than as Irish. Everyone is free to consider oneself what one thinks fit.
 

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The GDR was such a successful entity that they had to build walls and fences around it, including a large wall along the boundary in Berlin. Police with a shoot to kill policy guarded this boundary,

Was all this done to stop other jealous europeans getting into that socialist paradise
 

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drbob1972 said:
i know people whom live in the GDR (born and raised) whom are very clear that life is far far better now than in the pre 91 days of Erik Honiker (sp)
Honecker. ;)

I don't see what you're on about, felixed. When the SED lost control of the parliament in 1990 the new parliament gave aproval to become part of BRD. It was all lovely and democratic.
 

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RetiredProvo said:
The GDR/DDR was in fact the jewel in the crown of the Warsaw Pact group.
I studied there in Karl Marz Univeratat - Leipzig. and drank in the MoritzBastei.
The DDR was despite its detractors a well run state. Education, Health, and Food for all.
You could even get Cuban cigars when there weren't hip elsewhere.
As for the culture, Auerbachs Keller was a bit of craic in the late 80's.
Pity about Kirsten Otto - I met her in Leipzig in the late eighties at the national training Stadium when she was at her prime and thought she was a man.
Apart from that and Hoenecker, a great state.
Bollox. The DDR (talk about Orwellian naming!) was just the most well-kept of the cell blocks that made up the giant prison formed by the USSR and its 'satellite states' (colonies).
 

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felixed said:
What do you know or think or think to know about my homeland (if you ever heard of it)?
Ye beat West Germany in the 1974 World Cup
 

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corkman2007 said:
RetiredProvo said:
The GDR/DDR was in fact the jewel in the crown of the Warsaw Pact group.
I studied there in Karl Marz Univeratat - Leipzig. and drank in the MoritzBastei.
The DDR was despite its detractors a well run state. Education, Health, and Food for all.
You could even get Cuban cigars when there weren't hip elsewhere.
As for the culture, Auerbachs Keller was a bit of craic in the late 80's.
Pity about Kirsten Otto - I met her in Leipzig in the late eighties at the national training Stadium when she was at her prime and thought she was a man.
Apart from that and Hoenecker, a great state.
Bollox. The DDR (talk about Orwellian naming!) was just the most well-kept of the cell blocks that made up the giant prison formed by the USSR and its 'satellite states' (colonies).
Sounds more like a WorkingStickie than a RetiredProvo
 

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THR said:
However, I think there is a lot of nostalgia, or ostalgia as the Germans call it, for the DDR.
It's more than that. Because the DDR never invaded any other countries - the BRD at least four. There were no poor in the DDR - in the BRD it are at present over 2.5 million, only among children and youth. Nazism was forbidden an fought in the DDR - in the BRD Nazi demonstrations are protected by hundreds or thousands (!) of policemen and Nazis are back in the parlia(r)ments. And in the DDR we had a free high-quality education for anyone - the BRD is among the worst-performers in the PISA-tests and the dependence of education on social background was estimated by the UN-inspector Munoz as an abuse of human rights.
 

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corkman2007 said:
RetiredProvo said:
The GDR/DDR was in fact the jewel in the crown of the Warsaw Pact group.
I studied there in Karl Marz Univeratat - Leipzig. and drank in the MoritzBastei.
The DDR was despite its detractors a well run state. Education, Health, and Food for all.
You could even get Cuban cigars when there weren't hip elsewhere.
As for the culture, Auerbachs Keller was a bit of craic in the late 80's.
Pity about Kirsten Otto - I met her in Leipzig in the late eighties at the national training Stadium when she was at her prime and thought she was a man.
Apart from that and Hoenecker, a great state.
Bollox. The DDR (talk about Orwellian naming!) was just the most well-kept of the cell blocks that made up the giant prison formed by the USSR and its 'satellite states' (colonies).
I lived in the eastern part of Berlin from 1991 to 1997 and my son was born in 1995. The DDR system of child care was still structurally in place and whatever else about the DDR, the system of child care was first class and of a standard and cost that young Irish parents could only dream of.

I had been there a number of times before the Wall came down and East Berlin was definitely a place to visit but not to live. It has been improved infrastructurally and Berlin as a whole is one of the most vibrant cities in Europe. But even when the Wall was up, West Berlin was a place apart and had an atmosphere to it like nowhere else.
 

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felixed said:
It's more than that. Because the DDR never invaded any other countries.
You conveniently ignore the fact that Ulbricht amassed NVA troops on its border with the CSSR in 1968 and requested the Soviets to be allowed participate in the suppression of the Prague Spring.

The East Germans had also been pushing (behind the scenes) for military action in Poland in 1980/81.
felixed said:
There were no poor in the DDR
East Germany ended post-war rationing a long time after the West. East Germans had to queue for some of most basic foodstuffs. Many lived in substandard accommodation, with communal toilets and, if lucky, showers (in the basements). Despite the much publicised housing programme, there was a chronic lack of housing in the GDR for most of its history.

felixed said:
Nazism was forbidden an fought in the DDR
But yet it existed, as did racism, also officially prohibited. Racist attacks did occur against foreigners, and many DVP files I've read show that the police deliberately covered up these attacks for political reasons, often taking the side of the perpetrators rather than the victims.

felixed said:
And in the DDR we had a free high-quality education for anyone
Education was free, but not all were free to avail of it. You know well (or at least you should know) that many thousands of youth were obstructed in taking their final school exams, preventing them from entering third-level, for political and ideological reasons.
 
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Pauli said:
I lived in the eastern part of Berlin from 1991 to 1997 and my son was born in 1995. The DDR system of child care was still structurally in place and whatever else about the DDR, the system of child care was first class and of a standard and cost that young Irish parents could only dream of.
Would I be wrong in thinking that "West" German money was bank rolling this? Or indeed bank rolling a lot of other things to allow this care system to continue?

Pauli said:
I had been there a number of times before the Wall came down and East Berlin was definitely a place to visit but not to live.
This'll sound stupid, this is a ... I know a bloke who knows a bloke tale ... but perhaps you can give an opinion. I have no experience of Eastern Europe myself.
A friend who studied this topic, international relations etc told me that the vast majority of people behind the iron curtain had really no idea just how far advanced the "West" was. They had lived their lives in the understanding that they were at the pinnacle and when communism collapsed, they got quite a shock when they saw just where the "West" really was in comparison, economically, technologically, liberally etc.
I may have oversimplified her case but .... have you any thoughts on this?
 


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