You know the GDR?

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felixed said:
Aindriu said:
If you feel so strongly about capitalism Felixed you can always move to Cuba, North Korea or China.
Why should I leave my home? Only because it is temporarily occupied by a few parasites and their menials?

We can help the socialist countries best when weakening the imperialist ones. The latter need the war and make the war if we do not stop them. And they already started it.
That confirms to me that you truly are a plank!
 


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Today the DDR would have been 58 years ...

... if we did not throw it away instead of eliminating the faults and errors.

To remind the people of the progressive, democratic, peaceable and social state, I properly flagged our house.

 

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THR said:
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qtman said:
You thought the GDR was a failed state, but in comparison to the ultra-consumerism and inequality of western europe of 2007, it wasn't such a bad place as people thought.
As the people are made to think. And so I want to know what you were told about the DDR and what your own experiences are. Because in Germany the youth ist told a whole lot of shite of what it was like.
Do you consider yourself more as East-German rather than as German? There is nothing wrong with that. However, I think there is a lot of nostalgia, or ostalgia as the Germans call it, for the DDR.

I´m sure that even if there ever was a united Ireland, many northeners will still consider themselves as Northern Irish rather than as Irish. Everyone is free to consider oneself what one thinks fit.
"I think there is a lot of nostalgia, or ostalgia as the Germans call it, for the DDR" : Absolutely right. That same nostalgia is in Ireland now for the old Ireland (poor everywhere, and either oppressed by the English in the north or the Catholic Church in the south, but still better than the soulless pseudo-America that lovely old Eire has become...), as well as Russia (no freedom then and Gulags in the east, but jobs still and some sense of pride; now it's just a pornographers playground and poverty worse then ever outside the 1% neuvo-riche in Mosow...). The grass is always greener. But globalisation and open borders have certainly left a lot of carnage in their wake...
 

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Aindriu said:
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Are you saying that this didn't happen?
I did not deny it. The question is not if but why someone prefers an antisocial aggressive reactionary misathropic system.
If you feel so strongly about capitalism Felixed you can always move to Cuba, North Korea or China :lol:
To be fair, Aindriu, under that argument (if I may paraphrase: "If you don't like it, leave it"), then all the Catholics should have left the north in 1969 (or earlier). Leaving is easy. Staying and fighting is harder.
 

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tiocfaidh said:
To be fair, Aindriu, under that argument (if I may paraphrase: "If you don't like it, leave it"), then all the Catholics should have left the north in 1969 (or earlier). Leaving is easy. Staying and fighting is harder.
Not to forget the "To Connaught or to hell!" by the British.
 

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I was wondering something (i dont have an opinion on this ) would have berlin itself been better off if all of it was in the DDR (of course Germany would have been better of if non of it was in the ddr but alas history had a different plan)
If all of Berlin had been in DDR it would not have been divided there would be no wall those deaths caused by people escaping would have been saved and a division that now exists would not be there
 

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Naturally, it would have been better had the DDR never existed. It was a bizarre experiment and could only be maintained by violence. So it is hardly surprising that the tyrannical regime resorted to murdering its citizens who tried to escape the DDR nightmare.

The division you speak of recedes with every day that passes and only old diehards and weirdo fundamentalists have any residual affection for the DDR dictatorship.
 

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Pauli said:
Naturally, it would have been better had the DDR never existed.
What an ignorance!

Didn't you realize any of the changes since the annexation of the GDR? Not the destruction of the social systems, not the increase of repression, not the growing number of wars?

But even this ignorance does not matter. The system will teach even people like you. We just have to wait for a while.
 

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aggressivesecularist said:
Just read through this thread.

Oh

my

god

(which is saying a lot, coming from me)
Care to elaborate?
 

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aggressivesecularist said:
Extraordinary defence of the indefensible, that's all
It certainly is. Felixed is an unusual individual. Since you are in Berlin, make time, if you can, to do the tour of the Stasi prison in Höhenschönhausen. When I did it, it was conducted by ex-prisoners so it was particularly poignent. I don't know if that is the case now. That was when I realised that the DDR regime was fundamentally illegitimate and its destruction was no loss whatsoever.
 

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Finland the Pisa study winner had modelled its education system on that of the former GDR. As far as I know (by looking at the UN statistics from that time) was the GDR health care and education system one of the best in the world. The GDR provided for all social freedoms but unfortunately not for political freedom.
 

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Pauli said:
aggressivesecularist said:
Extraordinary defence of the indefensible, that's all
It certainly is. Felixed is an unusual individual. Since you are in Berlin, make time, if you can, to do the tour of the Stasi prison in Höhenschönhausen. When I did it, it was conducted by ex-prisoners so it was particularly poignent. I don't know if that is the case now. That was when I realised that the DDR regime was fundamentally illegitimate and its destruction was no loss whatsoever.
I found the H-Blocks in Belfast 1000 times more shocking as the stasi-prison in Berlin-Hohenschönhausen.
 

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People with an interest in the former DDR may be interested in a new book of travel writing published this week on the CreateSpace eStore (and yes it's a real, paperback book, not an e-book).

DDRüben - "Over There"
Travels in East Germany 1987-2010
by Pat Kelly
http://www.createspace.com/3552397

Pat Kelly, an Irishman, travels the length and breadth of post-Communist East Germany over 20 years and meets its people while learning German "on the fly" - with often hilarious results. This is a rare piece of Ostalgie travel writing in English, and essential reading for the English speaking visitor to the former East Germany and Berlin. A book filled with humour, quirky travel experiences, Ostalgie, Stasi and the ghost of an extinct state.
"DDRüben - Over There" (a play on the German word "drüben" meaning "over there", used by both West and East Germans to refer to the other German state.) is the former East Germany (DDR) seen from an Irish independent traveller's perspective and experience over almost a quarter of a century.
 

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The question rather should be: You knew the GDR? The part of Germany "behind the wall/iron courtain"?

Perversely the South made me think that capitalism isn't this bad. Could'nt say why, but I was attracted by Ireland even before the GDR was occupied. And what I saw here made me think that strange way I mentioned.

But that's not my question. I know what the Irish thought about my country an socialism at that time. Now Ireland has changed a lot since then and you're exposed to the common Euroimperial Propaganda as we are.

What do you know or think or think to know about my homeland (if you ever heard of it)?
I had the pleasure of visiting East Berlin for a few hours.

A very limited viewing, true, but I did not see anything to suggest that the DDR is any great loss to the brotherhood of nations, or that its unfortunate inhabitants should mourn for it in any way.

Great market for DDR nostalgia (excapt maybe the Stasi), but let's keep it that way.
 

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What you seen in Ireland was not capitalism.Nor do we have or ever had capitalism.
We had crony capitalism with a shed load of vote buying socialism thrown in.
Ireland is commie light like all other european countries, that will eventually blow up when they run out of other people money.
The question rather should be: You knew the GDR? The part of Germany "behind the wall/iron courtain"?

Perversely the South made me think that capitalism isn't this bad. Could'nt say why, but I was attracted by Ireland even before the GDR was occupied. And what I saw here made me think that strange way I mentioned.

But that's not my question. I know what the Irish thought about my country an socialism at that time. Now Ireland has changed a lot since then and you're exposed to the common Euroimperial Propaganda as we are.

What do you know or think or think to know about my homeland (if you ever heard of it)?
 

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Berlin is the Capital but Germany lost a lot of territory post WWI & WWII.

Up until 1970 the West German Government considered the National Territory to consist of Germany as it was in 1938 proir to the Anchluss with Austria.

It was only when the policy of Realpolitik was implemented in that year that the post War boundries were recognised as legitimate.
Odd that the anti-Israelis aren't demanding that Poles get out of Prussia, or that the Sudetenlanders should have right of return.
 


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