Zero Deaths on Commercial Airlines in 2017

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Airlines recorded zero accident deaths in commercial passenger jets last year, according to a Dutch consulting firm and an aviation safety group that tracks crashes, making 2017 the safest year on record for commercial air travel.


Dutch aviation consulting firm To70 and the Aviation Safety Network both reported Monday there were no commercial passenger jet fatalities in 2017. “2017 was the safest year for aviation ever,” said Adrian Young of To70.


To70 estimated that the fatal accident rate for large commercial passenger flights is 0.06 per million flights, or one fatal accident for every 16 million flights.
https://in.reuters.com/article/aviation-safety/rpt-2017-safest-year-on-record-for-commercial-passenger-air-travel-groups-idINL1N1OW0F3


There were however some fatalities on non-commercial flights (i.e. cargo etc.) and ground crew, but in general this is a phenomenal result.
The airline industry has a terrific record of crash investigation and then doing their utmost to make sure it doesn't happen again.
Will be interesting to see if the automation of cars will result in the same fatality outcomes.
 


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https://in.reuters.com/article/aviation-safety/rpt-2017-safest-year-on-record-for-commercial-passenger-air-travel-groups-idINL1N1OW0F3


There were however some fatalities on non-commercial flights (i.e. cargo etc.) and ground crew, but in general this is a phenomenal result.
The airline industry has a terrific record of crash investigation and then doing their utmost to make sure it doesn't happen again.
Will be interesting to see if the automation of cars will result in the same fatality outcomes.
I can't help thinking that autonomous vehicles will only be really safe when they're all autonomous (and as long as they're not hacked).

The extensive period within which there'll be a mix of autonomous and non autonomous vehicles is bound to be messy.
 

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Aviation also has exclusively professional pilots and an extreme safety ethos that pervades absolutely everything they do. That'll never happen when you're talking about any member of the public who can attain a driving licence and get into a car.

Engineering solutions and automation will help but it's a much, much more varied and complex environment with so many more random variables than aviation.
 

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Aviation also has exclusively professional pilots and an extreme safety ethos that pervades absolutely everything they do. That'll never happen when you're talking about any member of the public who can attain a driving licence and get into a car.

Engineering solutions and automation will help but it's a much, much more varied and complex environment with so many more random variables than aviation.
Quiet the opposite....there are more variables involved in aviation than any ground based vehicles...3D versus 2D in the basic physics and flight is a far more dynamic and fluid and potentially hostile environment than anything on the ground.
 

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That's good news but does it mean that on a meta-statistical level this year might see more air accidents?

I read somewhere once that the best way, statistically, to insure your not killed in a bomb blast on a plane is to bring your own bomb onboard.
 

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About time.

If a car was allowed to travel supervised externally by radar and other technology there would be no crashes.

Or for example if cars were coordinated to be kept apart by a certain distance say, 100m and never to come in contact with traffic coming in the opposite direction.

Cars won't crash if the speedometer is not working properly but an Aircraft will likely crash.

It is good news that there were no Airline crashes in 2017 but it's about time.
Flying is inherently unsafe when compared to other modes of travel.

Yes, there are higher numbers of deaths on roads than with Aircraft but if there is a problem with a flat tire or an engine failure or with visibility, the driver can pull over and stop. An Aircraft is in serious danger of crashing if there is a problem with fuel, engine, speedometer, altimeter etc.

For too long airline crashes have been integrated into the cost of doing business.
Most of the errors are due to human error rather than mechanical failures.

The Air France flight that went down off Brazil was absolutely unbelievable that it could happen in the 21st century. The co-pilots couldn't fly the plane when the auto pilot disengaged because the pitot tubes iced up and they lost air speed.

The plane crashed because the pilots essentially, were not properly trained to fly the plane.
 

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Quiet the opposite....there are more variables involved in aviation than any ground based vehicles...3D versus 2D in the basic physics and flight is a far more dynamic and fluid and potentially hostile environment than anything on the ground.
Horseshít
 

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About time.

If a car was allowed to travel supervised externally by radar and other technology there would be no crashes.

Or for example if cars were coordinated to be kept apart by a certain distance say, 100m and never to come in contact with traffic coming in the opposite direction.

Cars won't crash if the speedometer is not working properly but an Aircraft will likely crash.

It is good news that there were no Airline crashes in 2017 but it's about time.
Flying is inherently unsafe when compared to other modes of travel.

Yes, there are higher numbers of deaths on roads than with Aircraft but if there is a problem with a flat tire or an engine failure or with visibility, the driver can pull over and stop. An Aircraft is in serious danger of crashing if there is a problem with fuel, engine, speedometer, altimeter etc.

For too long airline crashes have been integrated into the cost of doing business.
Most of the errors are due to human error rather than mechanical failures.

The Air France flight that went down off Brazil was absolutely unbelievable that it could happen in the 21st century. The co-pilots couldn't fly the plane when the auto pilot disengaged because the pitot tubes iced up and they lost air speed.

The plane crashed because the pilots essentially, were not properly trained to fly the plane.
Correct.

Pilots are the most dangerous piece of equipment in the cockpit of an aircraft.

The sooner they are eliminated altogether, the safer we will all be.
 

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Great Stuff!
 

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That's good news but does it mean that on a meta-statistical level this year might see more air accidents?

I read somewhere once that the best way, statistically, to insure your not killed in a bomb blast on a plane is to bring your own bomb onboard.
Where did you read that, the Isis Times?
 

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Correct.

Pilots are the most dangerous piece of equipment in the cockpit of an aircraft.

The sooner they are eliminated altogether, the safer we will all be.
Study hard Vol and in a few millennia or so you may just have the slightest idea of what you are talking about.

For the rest of you out there the automation isn't the difficulty, it is proofing all the back up systems to the level of safety required for public air transport. For example in a smoke event most of the electrics are shut down leaving basic flight instruments and a pilot to fly them. Remove the pilot, add massive complexity and then try proofing this against catastrophic failure by a factor of 10 to the power of 9.

A remarkable year of safety in aviation.
 

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If Car drivers followed the strict guidelines and rules set out for safety reasons in air travel, there'd be very few road accidents.
 

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Correct.

Pilots are the most dangerous piece of equipment in the cockpit of an aircraft.

The sooner they are eliminated altogether, the safer we will all be.
Yes of course Michael. :roll:
 

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I can't help thinking that autonomous vehicles will only be really safe when they're all autonomous (and as long as they're not hacked).

The extensive period within which there'll be a mix of autonomous and non autonomous vehicles is bound to be messy.
No, it will still be safer with a mix of AI and humans, as opposed to all-human.
 

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Correct.

Pilots are the most dangerous piece of equipment in the cockpit of an aircraft.

The sooner they are eliminated altogether, the safer we will all be.
That's more than a bit harsh given their fraternity delivered a perfect score of 0 fatalities amongst a flying population of 2,900,000,000 people. That's a 0 in almost 3 billion chance of dying when you get on a plane. It's a triumph of human engineering and organization.
 

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That's more than a bit harsh given their fraternity delivered a perfect score of 0 fatalities amongst a flying population of 2,900,000,000 people. That's a 0 in almost 3 billion chance of dying when you get on a plane. It's a triumph of human engineering and organization.
Can we take that achievement and accept that flying is now safe enough, and stop adding new nonsense safety measures? I'd like my bottle of water back.
 

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Can we take that achievement and accept that flying is now safe enough, and stop adding new nonsense safety measures? I'd like my bottle of water back.
That was an anti terror not flight safety measure but I do agree it was mainly nonsense.
 


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